1969 Cent, Looks Struck Through Cloth And Double Struck, Confirmation Please

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thedollarman Pillar of the Community Canada 4911 Posts	Posted 01/06/2017 4:55 pm i am asking on behalf of a friend of mine for confirmation if this is or isn't struck through cloth and double struck. my personal opinion is it was in a vice with a soft die and something else that created the lined pattern. I say this because of the rim of the second strike, which you'd need a collar to create, as well as the flattened rim and overall smooshed appearance as well as the lack of detail you'd expect from a second strike. we'd love to hear the opinions from the forum as well as explanations and stuff to better understand this piece and why if it is damaged, how the reverse is not damaged as well. Feel free to call me Will. Report this Post to the Staff

Zimmy Valued Member United States 460 Posts	Posted 01/06/2017 9:20 pm Definitely post mint damage.....reverse was probably against something soft. Report this Post to the Staff
Alan Pillar of the Community Canada 1463 Posts	Posted 01/06/2017 10:04 pm That's a head scratcher. It has raised Queen and beads and edging in front of the Queen implying it was double struck, but there's nothing doubled on the reverse. Has what appears to be file marks on the obverse. Definately a year for monkey business. I have no idea how to explain that one Report this Post to the Staff
mike9999999 Valued Member Canada 224 Posts	Posted 01/06/2017 10:33 pm The double-struck looks like a penny from 1982-1989, it looks to have several sides. only problem is it isn't mirrored, what if a mint employee brought this '69 penny to the mint and re-struck it? Report this Post to the Staff
mike9999999 Valued Member Canada 224 Posts	Posted 01/06/2017 10:36 pm Only they struck only one side of the penny in a weak fashion... It does seem to be an error, but how did it come to be? Report this Post to the Staff
Zimmy Valued Member United States 460 Posts	Posted 01/06/2017 10:38 pm Also appears that the rim on the reverse has been damaged just where the glare of the light is and opposite from where the pressure was applied most on the obverse. No question that this is an altered coin. Report this Post to the Staff
mike9999999 Valued Member Canada 224 Posts	Posted 01/06/2017 10:42 pm what if an employee brought the '69 penny in sometime from '82-'89, put cloth on the reverse and cloth on the obverse, and then struck the obverse? with enough cloth, the reverse wouldn't get damage, and they may have purposely put less cloth on the obverse so that the second strike would show. Edited by mike9999999 01/06/2017 10:43 pm Report this Post to the Staff
mike9999999 Valued Member Canada 224 Posts	Posted 01/06/2017 10:44 pm How did your friend acquire this cent? Report this Post to the Staff
Zimmy Valued Member United States 460 Posts	Posted 01/06/2017 10:47 pm Wow....just when you thought you heard them all. I am a little dizzy after that one. Report this Post to the Staff
Apitrix Pillar of the Community Canada 581 Posts	Posted 01/06/2017 10:58 pm To me it does not look like any PMD, I am a little curious about the strike though. I do not see how this could be created due to it not having a recessed or mirrored image into it. Also, I don't see any damage as mentioned by another forum member. It looks just like a normal cent, no damage, just flare. And it is a 69, lots of interesting things happened that year. I am going to wait for SPP to post, very interested to see his opinion Edited by Apitrix 01/06/2017 10:59 pm Report this Post to the Staff
kbbpll Pillar of the Community United States 4233 Posts	Posted 01/07/2017 12:09 am It looks like the second strike was smaller. Report this Post to the Staff
thedollarman Pillar of the Community Canada 4911 Posts	Posted 01/07/2017 12:19 am I am sticking to my assessment that this is an altered coin post mint. The raised rim of the second strike can't happen in a real second strike as the collar is needed to make it. Feel free to call me Will. Edited by thedollarman 01/07/2017 12:31 am Report this Post to the Staff
john100 Pillar of the Community Canada 5324 Posts	Posted 01/07/2017 12:26 am For the year and no eye appeal even if real not worth much, but agree with most PMD Report this Post to the Staff
oldmike Pillar of the Community Canada 891 Posts	Posted 01/07/2017 12:47 am Boy that's a real Someone went to a lot of work Report this Post to the Staff
Scissel Pillar of the Community Canada 693 Posts	Posted 01/07/2017 1:26 pm It does look suspiciously like PMD. Is the diameter larger than a regular cent? Is it perfectly round? Report this Post to the Staff
Hounddog Bill Pillar of the Community Canada 1223 Posts	Posted 01/07/2017 1:39 pm Is it the proper weight? Cheers, Bill Report this Post to the Staff
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