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Hi, I collect coins minted / dated to the year of '82 for any given century. For 2016, I completed my run back to 1182 with a fun mix of coins from all over the world covering many parts of history     So for 2017, I'll be starting the much more difficult task of trying to fill in several of the centuries of the first millennia AD, most notably the years of 1082 / 982 / 882 / 682 / 482 . What I am hoping to achieve in this thread is to learn what might simply exist, as my internet searches over the last several months have returned very little. My goal is to be as specific to these year as possible, and understand that calendar systems from then convert only as good as 81/82 or 82/83 sometimes. Thanks and Happy New Year! |
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Tough years right there. Obviously none of those will be in the AD calendar... are you looking for the AD equivalent in an AH or VS coin, or the dates in their native calendar?
Also before you were willing to compromise for a coin type that was introduced in XX82 or minted by a person who took power or died in XX82. Does that still apply?
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Yes, the corresponding date on the other calendars, so 982 AD would be an 371 AH dated coin.
I might consider a compromise. I might be inclined on a type that was introduced in xx82, if the date range for the coin was rather narrow on around the '82, so I felt like there was a decent chance it could have come from the '82, or a ruler's reign dates start/end on the x82. Ultimately just hoping to keep the date range as narrow as I can.
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@collects82, I hope that some day you create a thread showcasing all your coins through the centuries. I think that you have put together a pretty impressive collection. For example, what are the six coins that you have accumulated from the year 1182 AD? That seems amazing to me.
For 1082 AD, you could consider the cast Chinese cash of Emperor Sung Shon Tsung (Northern Song Dynasty). I have a couple of his coins that I have dated to 1078-1085 AD. Several others are available for purchase on vcoins right now that cover this same seven year period.
For 982 AD and 882 AD, you might have some luck with Islamic issues. For example, I have a dirham from Eastern Khorasan made under the authority of Abu Da'vd Muhammad b. Ahmad that dates to between 874 and 884 AD.
I feel like you could be more likely into the Arab/Byzantine coinage for 682 AD. There are a couple early pre-reform fals for sale at Stephen Album's website that would get you pretty close. It is an old list that he is still working off of and so he may have some new material soon.
I'm not very sure on where to look for 482 AD. It seems late for the Roman empire, but still a little early for the Byzantine empire.
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I hope that some day you create a thread showcasing all your coins through the centuries. I think that you have put together a pretty impressive collection. For example, what are the six coins that you have accumulated from the year 1182 AD? That seems amazing to me. I started a milestone thread earlier in 2016 when my run was at 1382. When my 1282 arrives in a couple days (it was an end-of-the-year finsh-those-goals buy) I'll update it with some of the 1182. It's a group of Chinese coins the forum helped me track down. Quote:
For 1082 AD, you could consider the cast Chinese cash of Emperor Sung Shon Tsung (Northern Song Dynasty). I have a couple of his coins that I have dated to 1078-1085 AD. Several others are available for purchase on vcoins right now that cover this same seven year period.
Do you have a link? I see something, but the stated date range is 1067-1085, not sure if its the same thing. My fingers are crossed I can narrow the date range as much as possible. Quote:
For 982 AD and 882 AD, you might have some luck with Islamic issues. For example, I have a dirham from Eastern Khorasan made under the authority of Abu Da'vd Muhammad b. Ahmad that dates to between 874 and 884 AD.
I feel like you could be more likely into the Arab/Byzantine coinage for 682 AD. There are a couple early pre-reform fals for sale at Stephen Album's website that would get you pretty close. It is an old list that he is still working off of and so he may have some new material soon.
I'm not very sure on where to look for 482 AD. It seems late for the Roman empire, but still a little early for the Byzantine empire. I would agree that my best bets might be with the Byzantines / Persians etc part of the world. The Chinese never cease to amaze me, however. I appreciate the leads! The Romans have made the first few centuries AD such some options exist. I happen to still need 82, 182, and 382, but wanted to focus research now on the later centuries of the first millennia because that will be the bigger challenge and I'll get to work on the earlier ones while I seek to even learn of the existence of the otherse :) I do have a 282 Probus, but not one from Egypt yet, and the history bug in me is itching for an Alexandria just because. Over the years, hopefully I can put a nice run of the various 282 Probus together. Edited by Collects82
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Do you have a link? https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/ar...Default.aspxI have no experience with this seller, but would feel mostly comfortable as they are selling on vcoins. I'm sure that @TypeCoin or @anyangman could provide some additional input. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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The Western Satraps in India were (I think) the only civilization using a non-regnal calendar system on their coins for just about the entire time that Rome was rocking out in the west. Maybe not the only - the Kingdom of Bosporus was using a non-regnal calendar for much of that period too. However, as far as I understand, their only dated coins were the staters, and the 82 and 182 staters would be gold/electrum - good luck  the 282 stater wouldn't even be silver though (and they didn't make it to 382). Come to think of it, I'm not quite sure where Parthian dates ended either. |
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