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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Sometimes you see something and it boggles the mind. Is Stack's the tail that wags the dog? This is the kind of stuff that makes the pit of your stomach hollow when you think about how this undermines the TPG's credibility. I feel for everyone who ever got a details designation from NGC or had their coin returned in a bodybag.   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1339 Posts |
No doubt! I've had a couple come back from NGC that could have easily come back straight....Went to another TPG, large customers sure get the nod.....IMHO |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1431 Posts |
From what I've seen of it, the W 57th St collection coins are almost universally ugly and over-graded pieces. This coin is no exception.
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01/07/2017 4:00 pm
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Rest in Peace
United States
17900 Posts |
The X that appears at the center of the bust is a toning mark, not a scrape or graffiti. If you look closely you can see that the color follows the path of the design elements without actually "digging" in to the coin. Looks a lot like a pencil, too.
So this is most certainly ugly, as a large percentage of the Stacks coins were, but toning, even ugly toning, isn't going to get you a details grade.
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CCF Advertiser
United States
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This will not details from any TPG. Its got ugly toning from maybe a rubber band or something, but it I graded correctly. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
Details or not, most unattractive.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1963 Posts |
Well then, I think it also should have gotten environmental damage or something!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
12057 Posts |
I think that the sharpness grade is reasonable, perhaps a step high; attribution is correct. I do not see obvious signs of metal displacement so I agree that these are toning marks. It is not an attractive coin, as most have already noted, and would likely sell at the bottom end of its price range.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21786 Posts |
Maybe just staining; details nevertheless.
A potential buyer will see it anyway, and adjust the value.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
Right. Maybe it's just me, but I think this coin offers some sort of disservice to common sense.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
11884 Posts |
If the coin has stained, due to a rubber band or other any such object coming into contact with the coin, by NGC's own Details Grading Guidelines, this coin should have received a details designation and marked "Obverse Stained." Quote:https://www.NGCcoin.com/coin-gradin...ils-grading/Surface Problems There are several primary categories of surface problems that make a coin ineligible for numeric grading by NGC and result in an NGC Details grade being assigned. Review the categories below to see more information about the specific types of surface problems that require NGC Details grading. Scroll further for the NGC Details grading scale... ...STAINED coins display discoloration but not corrosion. More often than not such staining is irremovable. When isolated to one side, it is described as OBV STAINED or REV STAINED. But it seems like the rules don't apply to everybody...  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
01/07/2017 8:54 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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But it seems like the rules don't apply to everybody... This is the hard truth, and unfortunate, when it comes to TPG's. That being said, since you can't control the TPGs' occasional bad behavior, your best recourse is to not reward it by spending your money on such coins; as long as people buy junk, there is no pressure for the TPGs to quit slabbing junk. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7618 Posts |
When a big player sends in thousands of coins for grading a lot of things get overlooked. Just like in any business your best customers will get some special treatment. No difference with TPG'ers. And if you think the graders in the grading room have no idea whose coins are being graded ... really? |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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NGC most certainly dropped the ball with this one. a Details coin all day long  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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And if you think the graders in the grading room have no idea whose coins are being graded ... really? Tough to miss who's coins you are grading when the label going into the holder says Stack's and has a picture of their storefront. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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