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Lincoln Grading - By Reverse Only

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I chopped a few images from ha.com, all PCGS graded to illustrate the differences in the Fine grades. These are ONLY the coin reverses, as in the fine grade, it's the easiest way to estimate a Lincoln.

If you'd like to learn to grade Lincolns, I suggest spending some time on ha.com looking at the excellent images they have. You can closely inspect coins graded by the 3 major TPG's. I have many, many hours logged there, it helped me greatly to understand how Lincolns are graded. Here's some examples to assist you with the differences in the FINE category.

HINT: The differences in Fine are mainly derived using the wheat lines.

EDIT: Decided to expand this a little with a great VG8 example:

PGGS VG8: Note lines visable, but less than 50%.
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PCGS F12: Note that you can clearly see 50-80% of the lines. But there are definate rubs.
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PCGS VF20: Note that you can see the majority of the lines, but there may be a slight rub here and there.
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PCGS XF40: Note the lines are ever so slightly worn, but there are no rubs.
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 Posted 03/27/2008  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kceb10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
great info thanks alot will really help with grading
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This is a great guide--thanks!
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 Posted 03/28/2008  08:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bilbo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent info!

I think I've been a bit too conservative in my Lincoln grading.
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This is really great info, It's going to help a lot in grading my Lincolns.

Thanks for posting Thad
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Thanks, Thad, I am bookmarking the page next. time to do more homework.

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Excellent info. Somewhere I read once that in order to be F12, you needed all wheat lines. Clearly, that is not the case and I have been a little to conservative. I checked out HA last night. Good examples/pictures/etc.

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Bump because this came up once again....someday I'm going to create a page or two on my website for this.
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Excellent thread Thad..

This might be a silly question, but I'm here for a reason "to learn". As far as the lines go, are you looking at the top lines that point up, or the lines that form the shape of the seeds or whatever on the stalks? I always wondered, now this has to be answered :)

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Not a silly question, never be afraid to ask, that's how I learned myself....that and a LOT of reading.

The "lines" are at the top of the stalk. However, if you notice, the wheat grains (seeds) also wear pretty much at the same rate as the lines. As the grade increases, they also become more defined. You have be a bit careful just using the grains however. That is one area of the die that seems very suseptible to die wear. I've seen quite a few MS coins where the grains look "mushy", but they are not worn. That's why most Lincoln collectors pay particularly close attention to the lines.
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sorry I grade by the old standards fine has all the wheat lines and for xf you need the point on the bow tie.both front and back are the same.
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I dont agree that VF20 is a VF20...even for VG, full rims are nearly always required.
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p.s. Especially on Lincoln Cents and Nickels. Silver gets more latitude.
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