1739 Mexico 8 Reales...fake/Counterfeit Possibility?

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0xDA71D Pillar of the Community United States 1215 Posts	Posted 01/18/2017 5:40 pm Recently picked up this coin from 311778436807 for about $70 Any red flags of counterfeit? Good deal or no? Report this Post to the Staff

CoinCollector2000 Pillar of the Community United States 2563 Posts	Posted 01/18/2017 6:04 pm I'm not acquainted with this series, but I don't personally like the look. I'd certainly wait for experts because I could very well be wrong! Report this Post to the Staff
Tom438 New Member United States 2 Posts	Posted 01/18/2017 6:54 pm Have you weighed it? It should be between 25 and 27 grams if I am not mistaken. It certainly has no obviouse casting marks to suggest its a cast fake to me. Report this Post to the Staff
CoinCollector2012 Pillar of the Community United States 8137 Posts	Posted 01/18/2017 7:58 pm I don't like it. That circulation cameo looks very unnatural. Report this Post to the Staff
Lucky Cuss Pillar of the Community United States 4883 Posts	Posted 01/18/2017 8:01 pm It's one of the more common issues of its series, so it generally isn't a high dollar coin. That said, it could still easily be counterfeit. I echo the need for an accurate weight to begin the evaluation process - in its apparent condition, I'd expect a genuine example to come in around 26+ grams. From what I'm seeing, there's nothing that's a visual "red flag" but an examination of the edge (another necessary step in authenticting this type) might reveal such. Colligo ergo sum Report this Post to the Staff
0xDA71D Pillar of the Community United States 1215 Posts	Posted 01/18/2017 8:19 pm I agree that the unusual oxidation pattern is of concern. However, the edge looks appropriate right? This is my first of the type, so I'm not sure what a valid edge should look like. However, the edge looks appropriately scallopped Report this Post to the Staff
PatAR Valued Member United States 262 Posts	Posted 01/18/2017 11:42 pm Weight, diameter, and a photo of the edge would be useful. Counterfeiters and forgers do often imitate the appropriate edge. After seeing a good number of authentic vs fake you can better distinguish them. Also important to note where the edge design overlap is (should be directly opposite). Report this Post to the Staff
colonialjohn Pillar of the Community United States 1757 Posts	Posted 01/19/2017 09:47 am From the picture to me its probably regal. Silver in its most oxidative state is black. In other words to get this black coloration the silver content in this piece is very high and is probably regal. I don't even bother hunting/purchasing coins with blackish toning due to this factor. I don't collect the earliest issues just the bust types and in a counterfeit nature. So IMO its real (regal) due to its blackish toned state. No other alloy than a high silver alloy can produce toning of this nature. It may have been cleaned due to this non-uniformity of toning. I indicate this and do the surface chemistry in my new book coming out soon via Amazon Books on this form of toning with high silver alloy coins. Around April, 2017. John Lorenzo United States Report this Post to the Staff
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1739 Mexico 8 Reales...counterfeit Possibility?