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God this humiliates me, but the more I study it, the less I trust my original snap opinion, which was very old school. So I spent some time online going over the various grading sites showing today's standards. I was dead wrong on review, and will give it a clean VF-20.  |
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The date seems weak, but when you look at the head it has quite a bit of detail. I have an EF 1923-S and the date is not so strong but other details are strong. It is in a deposit box right now. The head of the SLQ is always slippery. Some dates just don't have very good heads or faces on Liberty even MS types. Today's standards are different for pre-1925 coins IMO. My EF 1923-S would barely rate F+++ for a 1927 or 1928.
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For the record, I wasn't criticizing coinfrog and was closer to his initial grade of F12. For Type I SLQs, photograde has an example that exactly matches OP's coin with the top half of the date worn off. The grade for that example is F15. The other parts of the coin look high VF. The Type I raised date was higher and more prominent than that of even Type 2 pre-1926 SLQs.
PCGS explicitly states that for grading Type I SLQs the condition and visibility of the date supercedes the condition of the rest of the coin. I agree for obvious reasons. For these reasons I reaffirm that I am at F15.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
01/24/2017 02:03 am
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Bruce ( THE FROG ), I knew sooner or later you would see it closer to my given grade .  |
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I had this one at F-15 details. Hard to tell in the photos but the coin was cleaned many years ago. When turning it in the light you can see groups of light hairlines grouped together going in different directions, they barely show up when the light hits them just right. It has toned done nicely over the years.
Top edge of the date is a little weak but bold detail every where else. I just can't see it at a VG grade.
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I was thinking VF-20 and was shocked that some people had it at fine or even VG. The PCGS video is great and I'd want to watch all of them.
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Hopefully, the video was helpful.
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Yes, good job. That IGE says it was probably cleaned doesn't surprise me.  |
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Everyone screws up every now and again, Froggo. I'm in at VF-20
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