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Any Help Would Be Appreciated! Unidentified Chinese Coin

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 Posted 01/25/2017  12:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Charles Stewart to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello Forum mates,

I am new to the forum and new to collecting coins. My dad has been a collector for years and my growing interest in his hobby over the years has prompted him to want to help me get started. One of the coins he gave me he has never been able identify for all of the years he has had the coin. He couldn't say for sure how long he has had it but "years" was the answer. It's around the same size as a Morgan maybe slightly larger but if it is only slightly. If anyone recognizes it I would appreciate the help. It is not magnetic and has a slight yellow tint to it. It has been cleaned by my brother years ago when he was trying to help my dad identify it, was very difficult to make the letters/characters out and in another language it was something he felt he needed to do despite my fathers repeating to him not to. Thanks in advance, have a great day!

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 Posted 01/25/2017  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Parklane64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Howdy!

Your coin is, tentatively, Chinese, possibly Korean. I am not an expert and have not placed it, yet.

Don't worry, you have just accessed the deepest pool of coin knowledge on the net. An expert will be along shortly.

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 Posted 01/25/2017  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverai to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Guizhou (Kweichow) Province coin (1888)
The real coin is very rare and the price is very high (500K RMB or more). So many fake coins in the market. You should bring your coin to a local pawn shop and test it with XRF machine. If the coin is silver, then you should send it to NGC for grading. IMO, if you get this coin from ebay, 99% is a fake coin.

Refer:
http://coinquest.com/cgi-bin/cq/coi...n_coin=12708
http://auction.artxun.com/paimai-307-1533356.shtml
https://read01.com/4e43KO.html
https://mt.sohu.com/d20161022/11686...428173.shtml
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_137f...102vsix.html

Good luck!
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01/25/2017 1:16 pm
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My best guess is some sort of fantasy piece. It looks to be bronze, and it also looks brand new.

If it is a real coin, it would be from one of the Japanese WWII puppet states, but I am strongly leaning toward fantasy still.
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 Posted 01/25/2017  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Charles Stewart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for the quick responses. The 1888 coin is very similar and as I mentioned the coin I have my dad has had for years long before ebay was around. It had a very nice patina on it before my brother cleaned it with silver polish and it has since turned a very faint yellow but again not magnetic but no actual silver tests done. I will do that, at least I have a direction. I'll keep you posted as to what happens. If the original coin is that rare.....and so many fakes from China the odds are slim it is genuine but as far as my dad remembers he got this coin in a lot of hundreds of other country's coins which all turned out to be genuine coins. This was the 1 he could not identify.

Thank you for the direction. Let's see where it goes!
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 Posted 01/25/2017  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin197 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You should know, silver polish ruins coins. Do not ever clean coins, unless you are an expert and know how to do it in a non-damaging method.
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 Posted 01/25/2017  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverai to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If your coin is genuine and graded, don't sell it on ebay. Contact an auction house and sell your coin in Hong Kong or China, you will get much higher bidding prices. The article said the last auction price for this coin was $2M RMB!

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01/25/2017 5:19 pm
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There is no way this is genuine. I do not know what silverai is attempting to suggest but a close look at the photos provided in reference all points to replica.

The calligraphy of each character is actually a bit off and the biggest giveaway is in the center of the second photo. This has the center as a mesh but in the original, they all appear as parallel lines.
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This forum is great. Quick and amazingly smart and knowledgeable people here. I appreciate everyone's feedback. I took it to a local coin dealer 15 miles or so from my home, all she was able to confirm was that it is a majority silver coin. At the very least I have a couple bucks in silver, I too noticed several small differences between the confirmed authentic coin and the coin that was given to me so I would agree as I originally thought given the rarity and overall condition of the coin it is a replica of some kind but I will find someone who is an expert take a more in depth look to confirm it just to know a little more about the coin replica or not. As mentioned my dad has had this coin for over 20 years to 92 was his best guess so it has fanicated me as a kid that nobody could ever tell us what it was or where it came from. Either way it will stay treasured as a part of what helped my growing love for coins and collecting and investigating them. Because it has always intrigued me it was the first coin he offered to me to start my own collection and even if it turned out to be genuine (I am sure it is not) I couldn't part with it for that fact alone.

Cheers and thanks to all who have chimed in and have taken their time to read and comment on my call for help. All comments are very much appreciated.

Charles
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 Posted 01/26/2017  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverai to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
gxseries, I just want to help other members. I just search the coin info and give him the info I can find online. I am not an expert and I don't rather his coin is authentic or not. I just told him to do a test with RFX machine, if the coin is silver then he can send his coin to NGC for grading. Do you think I can make money by telling him that?! How do you know his coin is not authentic? Do you have an authentic coin? Let the expert judge, not you nor me.
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01/26/2017 01:43 am
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Please review the points made earlier. XRF test or NGC grading does NOT come cheap and unless you are dead certain that it is likely to be genuine, it is ill-advice.
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I brought my coins to a pawn shop for XRF exam, they only charge me $5CAD/coin or $20CAD for bulk and you know the result immediately. If the result is good, then send it to NGC for grading. This is the best advice I can say to him instead of pretending I am an expert and tell him the coin is authentic or fake.
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