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MauroM New Member Brazil 15 Posts	Posted 01/27/2017 9:20 pm Hello. I bought this coins on a trip in China, from a street market stall along with others typical coins, charm coins, etc. I never believed they were real, specially the 5 dollar coin, and I never put them on my album, left on the drawer with other non numismatic souvenirs. However this week I got a new scale and used the one dollar coin to test it... and it wieghts 26,6g, a nice weight for a real coin. It measures 39,0mm, is non-magnetic and has a long ping sound. How can we identify this one as fake? I took the pictures with the absolutely fake 5 dollar coin that has a similar aging effect. Report this Post to the Staff

Spence Moderator United States 34444 Posts	Posted 01/27/2017 9:24 pm Quote: How can we identify this one as fake? If the fact that you bought it in a street market stall in China isn't evidence enough that it is fake, you certainly could get XRF done to determine the silver content. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
bungle Valued Member Japan 349 Posts	Posted 01/28/2017 01:23 am The date on those two is year 2 (1913). The second character from the left, with 2 parallel lines - meaning the number 2, is the date. The real coins were not made until year 3 (1914). Furthermore, a 5 yuan version in silver was never made. I doubt they are silver - they appear to be thicker than an actual coin. Report this Post to the Staff
Albert Pillar of the Community United States 1915 Posts	Posted 01/28/2017 3:45 pm It does look like a 2 in the image. But in hand, some of those look like the third line just never came out when made by the fakers. There can sometimes be a faint trace of it under the scope. Report this Post to the Staff
MauroM New Member Brazil 15 Posts	Posted 01/28/2017 9:41 pm Yes, I see the date detail. I never expected to buy one of the most faked coins in the street for cheap, I just was curious about the correct weight. Funny, isn' it? The faker got the wieght right, which is hard to do, but forgot a simple detail like the date. If he were a bit smarter, I would be spending money doing more sophisticated stuff to look for silver. Thank you for the opinion. Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34444 Posts	Posted 01/28/2017 9:49 pm Quote: forgot a simple detail like the date. Or perhaps purposefully he chose an impossible date so that he could get around whatever counterfeiting laws exist in China. This way it is only a "fantasy". Hard to say... "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
Albert Pillar of the Community United States 1915 Posts	Posted 01/29/2017 5:12 pm The 5 Yuan coin is found in Bruce- Unusual World Coins as X#1291 on page 141 of the 6th edition. Described as 32.25g, Silver, 45.1mm, Date year 2 (1913). Report this Post to the Staff
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