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2000 P Jefferson Nickel - Rotated Die - Obverse? Reverse?

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hi my fellow coin collectors, found this 2000 nickel roll hunting flipped it over & to my surprise it was rotated, I hear these newer coins are hard to find rotated but not sure....I'm guessing 65 70 degree ? ... had to make a holder for it will get correct holder soon ...does have a hit by nose, but very cool, pic off mirror & straight on ...what do ya think ..thanks to all !

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 Posted 01/29/2017  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice
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 Posted 01/29/2017  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ter215 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks bigsilver.....this is my first true rotated die, the others were only 10 15 out...very excited ...just not too sure on degree I'm guessing 60 - 70 ?
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 Posted 01/29/2017  4:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Druu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find, Ter! If you want to measure the degree of rotation, you can take folded clear plastic, draw a line with a sharpie on the outside, then put the coin on the inside. Line up the obverse, then flip horizontally. Then use a protractor and straight edge to measure along the reverse. Here's a picture of my set up. I think someone else on the forums did the same thing with a 1964 half yesterday.

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 Posted 01/29/2017  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ter215 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks druu , i'll see what I can come up with, I think I seen a diagram on here some where? ...i'll have to search, get a round about....this is sooo exciting ..
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That is an awesome find. Congratulations.
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 Posted 01/29/2017  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kookoox10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great job, you're correct in your assessment about the overall difficulty of finding a modern with over a 90 degree rotation. It's not out of the ordinary to see these fetch over $100, slabbed or not. A graded example will help your cause more, but sometimes it's just not necessary.
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thanks everyone.....wow kookoox, I've never asked about value but WOW, this would fetch over a $100.00 ...that's amazing, makes me even more happy ...I'm gonna try and figure out exact degree or try too, i'll report back if I do....thank you all !!
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i meant I have never asked about value of a coin cause I like too research that part of it, but i'll bee asking a little more from now on, this is exiting ! ....if anyone knows approx degree, please let me know ...thanks again.
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 Posted 01/29/2017  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Druu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just realized that your pictures are in a mirror, and not a composite image of two shots. It looks like you have a touch less than ninety degrees. I'll go with a guess of 60-75 degrees clockwise rotation. If you're able to do it with some plastic and post flat pics, I'll throw a protractor up to my screen and measure it for you. Right now, I'm spinning two Lincoln cents in a mirror to try and duplicate what I see in your shot.
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hey druu , I was guessing 60-75 myself but I think I messed up these photos? not sure, does this help....thanks.

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 Posted 01/30/2017  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Druu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Slapping a protractor up to the screen, I'm getting 75 degrees clockwise. It'd be more exact for you to do it with the coin in hand. If you don't have a protractor, you can google a device called the "Rota-Flip," which is sold out, but the website has a protractor template you can either save to your phone/computer or print out.

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Just a little more info that I picked up recently you may be interested in. Rotated dies are caused by the hammer die becoming loose and rotating. Moat of the time (always?) the obverse design is the hammer die, and the reverse is the anvil die. However, rotation is measured as if the obverse is properly aligned -- after you flip it over, the reverse is measured in terms of deviation from upright.

I'll also note here that I'm actually holding the protractor wrong in that picture. It should be held vertically. This just fit better, and is accurate after I do the math. [The reading is 165, but since 90 degrees in the pic is actually my 0 degree mark, 165-90= 75.] And since the reverse appears to be rotated clockwise, that's what it's designated as. The max rotation is 180 degrees, which is medal orientation. You could have something like 170 clockwise, but you would not call it 190 counter clockwise (which is also a mathematically sound measurement).

I hope this helped! (And if I'm wrong, I hope someone corrects me!)
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Or if you have software that can rotate and image. Just experiment how much rotation it takes to make if normal.
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wow ...thanks soooo much druu, that helped alot, approx 75 degree it is & I need to pick up a protractor, it seems very easy with that...... coop I wish I could work a computer like you can, I wouldn't know where to start....this post was exciting for me...I've learned alot about rotated die's...thank you all very much...
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No problem, Ter! This is the graphic I was talking about from the Rota-Flip website. It's not as good as a protractor, but it's better than eyeballing it. I've got it on my phone so I have it on hand.

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 Posted 01/30/2017  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spare Change Keeper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great find! This is why you always have to check the reverse.
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