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Incuse Areas Around The Lettering Of A Roman Coin?

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If we can see incuse areas around some of the lettering on a Roman denarius, like here:

Incuse-Areas-Around-The-Lettering-Of-A-Roman-Coin?

- does that mean the lettering was reengraved or is there another reason for this happening?
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Just a guess here: assuming the "echo" of the letters is not the result of a bit of double-striking, perhaps a punch was initially used on the die to establish the placement of each letter prior to engraving them? Curious to see if someone has the definitive answer.

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Doesn't sit well with me.

It is widely theorized and likely that the die engravers in Rome had letter punches to make the legends on coins. Incuse on the coin means raised on the die.

If the letters were formed by hammering a punch into the die, I am just not seeing how that could possibly result in raised areas on the die.

Tooling the coin could do it, however. I would stay far away.
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That makes total sense. Good analysis, Steve.
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these depressions are perfectly normal and have nothing to do with tooling.
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A slight slip of the die between two or more strikes might result in that type of misalignment, perhaps.

Is it only on those letters? Or is there also areas of the details that show such doubling?
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Yes, I think it's only on the part of inscription that's pictured. I don't see it on the reverse, around the portrait, or the remaining obverse lettering.
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It is not uncommon
I have seen it many times and usually on silver coins.
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Searching for a different thing altogether I encountered a FORVM article on the subject:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/mo...w_coins.html
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Very interesting article!
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Great information all!
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