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Valued Member
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Two questions:
1. Coppercoins: I think your site is a bit down or something; I have only been able to search the "Die Variety", "New Renditions". The Tabs on top (ie "Sales/Services, Dept, Ref, Etc) are not working; at least for me. Just a heads up. Don't know if I missed a post on it or not after your move, but haven't been able to use those for a while now. Just forgot to post it till now.
2. I've probably heard this, but probably haven't known the accronyms. What does MDS, EDS, LDS stand for.
Thanks,
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Pillar of the Community
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Early Die State, Mid Die State, Late Die State. It describes the condition of the dies being used to strike a particular coin and the condition it was in at the time of striking.
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So correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm sure I might be.
It shows die stikes to the coin before & after polishing, & then toward the end of the die's life?
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That sounds pretty good to me. I know the names, but I am not sure the exact definition of an EDS coin. I know most LDS coins have combinations of polish lines, die cracking, clashing, and breakage, but when it exactly becomes an MDS or LDS coin....Maybe someone with a little more insight will chime in on this .
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Pillar of the Community
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Die state is a simple way of mentioning the age of the die at the time it struck a particular coin. Polish lines an clash marks are NOT die state markers...they can happen at any time in a die's life.
Die state markers would be the sharpness (or lack of) in the coin's design, especially around the outside edge of the design.
Coffeegod - absolutely nothing changed on the site, and I have no trouble with the menu. Any chance you changed your browser settings or updated to a newer version? You would have to have Javascript enabled to be able to see and use the menu.
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Bedrock of the Community
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coffeegod. Nothing wrong with coppercoins.com web site that I could see. I just went there and it's working fine. Maybe to much coffee?  |
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Carl..... could be too much Coffee..... JJJuussstt AAAA LLLiittlleee. Thanks for at least letting me know, you were able to get on. Hmmmm.
C.C., haven't changed anything on my computer, though I'll go through it & find out. If it was Javascript, I shouldn't be able to see anything. Probably something simple. Let you know if I've figured it out.
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I do need to caveat what I said earlier by saying there are a number of the menu selections that do not work because the site was never finished in its current version. So there are some of the selections that will either return unfinished pages or nothing at all...but having said that, there are a number of the menu selections that should work without issues.
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Hi Chuck,
Help me through this thought....Take a 1968 D or S cent as the example. By then , the master hubs were shot and the details looked like mush on the hubs. When the master dies were made, the details on the dies looked spread and really worn. Consequently working hubs and dies looked really horrible. So, with respect to die states, can we say that even an early die state coin for some years can still look pretty shabby?
Thanks,
Bill
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03/31/2008 2:43 pm
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That clears up the tab issue, as for some with as you stated. I guess it's just the FAQ/Education one that has nothing...... at least on my screen. FIR; that was one of my issues too, except, I'm having trouble with the 1982-D & 1984-D. I get some that are beautifully struck, then some that have this haze to them which in turn look almost like hazey DDO / DDR's. I find a lot of hazy ones. Maybe that's what we end up here in the N.W. with instead of the nice East Coast WAMs and such.......  |
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I do know that some early die state cents of 1982 to about 1989 really look good early on and then look really horrible as the dies wear. In the years 1982, 1983 and 1984, They were still working out the bugs, so to speak with the striking of plated coins.
They also used the dies to death so there are some really horrible looking coins out there from those years.
I see a lot of coins in those years that are poorly struck and many struck with very worn dies. I also see a lot of coins in those years with serious overpolishing of dies and with serious die clash issues.
It is not unusual to find really bad coins for those years.
What complicates things is that there actually are some nice DDOs and DDRs for those years and the mushiness is often mistaken for doubling. There are 7 or 8 DDOs that I know of on 1983 cents for example that can easily be confused with the mushiness of strike. Some however are very sharp and easy to see on early die state coins.
Those dates can be tough to get used to as far as how the coins normally look and what may or may not be a die variety.
As you get more into it, you'll be able to recognize the coins almost by dates and date ranges. Hopefully, you are using a really good jewelers loupe or lens to look at this stuff.
Thanks,
Bill
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Understand...... Last night, just found a decent 82-D DDO. It's a bit Hazy though & almost dimissed it as an MD. Will post pics when I can. Would've been better if it wasn't for wear. |
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Posted 03/30/2008 9:53 pm
