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 Posted 02/09/2017  08:03 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add drdebell to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
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I'm new to this site. I'm hoping you can help me identify the coin / jeton in the images uploaded with this post. It was in with a bunch of "to be cleaned" coins that I bought ages ago and had never done anything with. I picked it up and lightly buffed the incrustations with some 000 steel wool. The layer of black crud that covered the entire thing slowly came off. It still isn't rid of all the incrustations, and the coin itself is far from perfect, but I'm curious as to what it might be. I've done some preliminary searches but haven't found much... Many thanks

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 Posted 02/09/2017  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin197 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Steel wool was a bad idea. You should have used something non-abrasive, like olive oil.
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Thanks. Not contesting the fact that there might have been better methods. However, I really didn't think I'd find anything at all under the crud, so I didn't really worry all that much about it. At any rate, the photos don't do the piece justice. It's much prettier than it looks, even if it is a little deformed (came like that to me) and still a little encrusted. Still just curious about what it is... I don't have any other pieces that look anything like ti.
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@drdebell, first welcome to CCF. Second, I think that you will find that many of us cringed a little when we read that part about the steel wool.

What is done is done, in any case, to get to your question of origin, I'm pretty sure that you have a Nuremberg Jeton. There are many varieties and sorry but I can't find an exact attribution for you. Perhaps with some diligent interweb searching you may find a match.
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 Posted 02/09/2017  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As Spence said, it is not actually a coin, but a "counting token". Known as "Rechenpfennig" in German, these pieces were used in all kinds of situations as substitutes for coins. Originally intended for use on "counting-boards" (kind of an economic abacus), they also found use as counters for card games and other forms of semi-legal gambling. The city of Nuremberg, in Germany, became one of the most prolific issuers of such tokens, with numerous rival family businesses in that city going into production in the 1500s to 1800s. You can read more about them in this article on the UK Detector Finds database website.

Yours is a variant of the "French Shield type", I believe. Obverse: French coat of arms, legend "LIB MICH ALS ICH DIH". Reverse: floreated cross, crowns and lys in corners, legend something like "N DAS SIN RECHEPFENING".
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Thanks to all of you, for the welcome and the information about the piece. I had wondered if this was actually a token (jeton in French), but wasn't sure. I could only make out part of the letters, but had sort of guessed that maybe Germany was the source (based on the "pfenig"). And the fleur de lys made me think perhaps French. My information was largely based on intellectual guessing and not solid proof, though. Thanks much for the help. I have a "piste" (as they say in French) and can now do some more extensive searching.

As for the steel wool, I realized when I did it that it might not be the best move, but, honestly, I don't know if 5 years in olive oil would have made a difference in cleaning this thing up. It was pretty awful. Thanks again!!
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