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I recently picked up this 1870 PR65 Shield nickel at a coin show.It was an impulse buy; the show was closing and I was just doing some last minute browsing, and the guy mad me an offer too good to pass up. As I was looking at it this morning thinking of putting it on the block at Heritage, I noticed that it is also the FS-301(005.75) repunched date with the Indian Head die clash. Dreams of the '67 Chevelle Convertible quickly went out the window, though, when I realized that die varieties are not listed wit proof coins. Does that mean they are not worth any more than the base value of the proof? Also, in this case, an MS65 is worth more(1700) than a PR65(1100).I have horse-traded a few slabbed coins, but have never sent one in to be slabbed. Is it possible they would take the error into account and grade as MS65? Or is there a secret "Proof Coin Die Variety Price Guide" hidden away somewhere?  |
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I'd be stressing I'd get a 65 grade with that scratch across the shield.
NGC and PCGS will only note certain varieties is my understanding. ANACS might be more willing to expand on the varieties they will note.
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PCGS recognizes this variety; I saw several examples on Heritage. Also, I think the scratch is on the case. It's currently in a PCGS slab with a PR65, I just cropped the rest of he pic out so it would be small enough to post.
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I cannot see where/how it is clashed... Could you enlighten me, I'm very interested
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There are several spots visible, but they can be hard to see without a zoom feature. The most visible in this pic is on the third bar from the left in the shield. About halfway down, you can see one point of the Indian's headress, with the tip extending beyond the stripe to the northeast. Once you pick that up, you can see the pattern in the bar to the left as well.
Edited by Biker Coin Guy
02/11/2017 4:47 pm
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I need those in an Album. If it was mine, I'd be out in the garage with my saw and cut it out for the Album.
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Edited by Coinfrog
02/12/2017 6:29 pm
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This coin is not an IHC clash. It looks nothing like FS-301. Ignoring whether or not there is a clash on this coin (there isn't), FS-301 has a pretty strange RPD as well that is not present on this coin. While varieties can and do occur on Shield nickel proofs, this is not one of them. |
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Well, I see what looks like a "neck diamond" from an Indian cent at the upper right tip of the cross, and several of the "points"(feathers, or whatever they are supposed to be)in the shield, and the debris field around the 1 has chunks in the requisite compass locations. Is it supposed to look EXACTLY like the pic in CPG? I thought some of the MPDs and die clashes were all over the map |
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For a given Shield nickel variety, the picture must exactly match what you see in CPG. It is possible to have a variety exhibiting a similar feature (i.e., a clash) that does not match what you see in CPG, but then it would be a different variety. |
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The photo on shieldnickels.net and the photo in CPG are of the exact same variety. The real question is why do you think they are different?
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The chunks in the debris field around the 1 are different sizes and shapes,and in different areas. Also, in CPG there are just a few headdress points in the lower part of the shield, whereas SNN's example has them scattered all over the place. They both meet the written description, but look nothing alike.
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I have to used a lot of imagination to see if there's any clashes on the coin, but if you believe there's something going there, do send it in to any one of the 3 grading service.
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You are being misled by 1) differences in marks between two different coins (no two coins will ever show the identical marks from circulation impacts), 2) a rather poor photo with low contrast in CPG, and 3) possibly by differences in the way the coins were photographed (e.g., lighting, resolution).
To look at some further examples, you might want to go to the Heritage archives.
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04/14/2017 5:12 pm
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