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Standing Liberty quartersOverrated: 1916. I could have bought it 6 times over this year, if I had the money. Its expensive, but available. AU-58 will run $10K. Underrated: 1919-D. In higher grades, its really hard to find. I've been looking for an AU-58 which should run $900 for a year now. Edited by Andrew99 02/19/2017 11:15 pm
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Liberty Head Nickels:
1885 is the key date. Mintage of 1,476,490 1912-S is not. Mintage of 238,000
1885 in VF-20 retails for $1000 1912-S in same grade retails for $500
A Guide Book of Shield and Liberty Head Nickels, written by Q. David Bowers, has no real explanation for it. The best guess is that 1885 was the lowest mintage at the time, and always had a premium; even after the 1912-S was minted later on.
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Great idea! 
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This is a great thread. In Lincolns I personally think the 09 S VDB is a bit overrated. You can always find a quality one available if you want to pay the money. I understand the legendary status, but a lot were saved.
Underrated I would go for a quality strike 1925D or 1925S. That was a chore to find AU or MS with strong strikes-took me 6 months or more each.
Edited by Vermillion Flycatche 02/19/2017 10:56 pm
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Seated Liberty Dimes: Overrated: 1844 in low grades (many are available, they are just highly priced because of some stories behind them. Not as overrated as SVDB and 16-D Merc though) Underrated: 1843-O in any grade (much harder to obtain than the 1844 with only about 200ish in existence) Seated Liberty half dimes: Overrated: Is there one? Underrated: Probably the entire series (1852-O in particular, but there are many others) Seated Liberty quarters: Overrated: The later dates (high survival rates, but low mintages) Underrated: S-mint coins from the 1850s and 60s 3 cent nickels: Overrated: Hard to say Underrated: 1888 and 1889 Morgans: Overrated: 1893-S, 1882-1885 CC (sorry Cascade) Underrated: 1892-S, 1896-S
Edited by Omegaraptor 02/20/2017 5:45 pm
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Overrated Morgan dollars: 1893-S 1879-CC Underrated Morgan dollars: 1880-CC Rev. 1878 1884-S in MS grades 1901 Underrated DMPL Morgans (in terms of price vs. scarcity) 1879-O in MS63DMPL or better 1880-CC Rev. 1878 1886-O 1898-S and 1899-S
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis
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Quote: Liberty Head Nickels:
1885 is the key date. Mintage of 1,476,490 1912-S is not. Mintage of 238,000
1885 in VF-20 retails for $1000 1912-S in same grade retails for $500
A Guide Book of Shield and Liberty Head Nickels, written by Q. David Bowers, has no real explanation for it. The best guess is that 1885 was the lowest mintage at the time, and always had a premium; even after the 1912-S was minted later on. The answer to this question is that the 1885 was struck in Philadelphia. Collectors there were more likely to order a Proof example instead of a business strike. This means that the 1885 simply circulated for years and years. The 1912-S was the first nickel struck in San Francisco despite its modest mintage, citizens/collectors saved examples.
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Mercury Dime. 1916D over rated. Way to many out there. 1931D under rated since it is the 4th lowest coin in the series.
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Liberty Head Half Eagles (No Motto).
Overrated - "C" and "D" mints. Examples abound, but for a substantial premium.
Underrated - 1840-O "Broad Mill". Only 4,620 were struck using the 1839 collars. They are a distinct, rare variety of Half Eagle at a fraction of the cost of a Charlotte or Dahlonega coin in similar grade.
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Overrated - 1877 Indian cent. It's scarce, but they are always around in various grades. Underrated - 1872 Indian cent. Despite the fact that the mintage is 5 times higher, the coin is just about as hard to find as the 1877. Overrrated 1864-L Indian cent. I cherry picked a few of this when I was kid in high school. Underrrated 1864 bronze without the L. I had a harder time finding a nice example of this than I did the 1864 with the L.
Edited by billjones 02/21/2017 08:17 am
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Overrated Charlotte Half Eagle: 1842-C Small Date - certainly a more elusive date from the series, but not nearly as rare as some people like to make it out to be. I can find 3-5 for sale in various dealer inventories at any given time. Usually, its price tag exceeds its availability.   Underated: 1846 Charlotte Half Eagle - a rare date, and dare I say even rarer than the '42-C Small Date, but it sells (when available) at 1/2 or even multiple times less the price than what I consider to be the more available '42-C Small Date- just try to find a decent one. The one pictured below was in my collection, graded AU-55. I purchased it as an NGC XF-45 back in 1998, cracked it out & resubmitted, and came back in an AU-55 holder. I never thought the coin was that attractive though... it was bit too baggy and had obviously been dipped, being void of a majority of its original skin and luster, although it did display some attractive orange coloration. Nice for what it was, but just not a good fit for me. I sold it a few years ago for a nice profit, but then found myself again (and still) searching for that "right" one.   ET
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I've started to think between series rather than within a series. For instance, an 1889-CC Morgan is relatively the same PCGS scarcity as an 1881 eagle. On the bay right now I can buy an MS61 1881 eagle for $745, or about $150 over gold melt. It's considered a basic, common bullion coin. For slightly more money at $794 I can buy a slabbed 1889-CC Morgan in F12. A MS61 would set me back $33,500. Which coin is scarcer in the market? Currently ebay lists about 50 1881 eagles and 350 1889-CC Morgans. Advantage eagle by a 7:1 margin. And IMO, advantage 1881 eagle in every regard. Eagles are very undervalued coins. We value coins using a herd mentality that comes from the days when they were in circulation. But even when I was in junior high filling Whitman books with cents nickels and dimes I KNEW that the gold coins were more desirable. They really are rare because no one bothered to collect them. Consequently no one saved them and they got melted.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Edited by thq 02/23/2017 5:40 pm
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You have to be careful not to tie value up with scarcity as a direct correlation, however. Obviously, there are far fewer 1881 Philly Eagles out there than 1889-CC Morgan dollars. However, the value of the gold coin is more closely tied to the price of gold than it is to numismatic scarcity. There are a far GREATER number of collectors putting together complete sets of CC mint Morgans, or Morgans in general, meaning that the value for an 1889-CC is driven as much by collector demand as it is by numismatic scarcity. If gold were to somehow plunge to $300 an ounce next month, many common-date circulated gold coins would see sudden major value drops, despite very low mintages, especially when compared to the lowest-mintage Morgans. Sure, collectors would come in to complete their type sets or fill in a few gaps, and that would provide a bottom for the market, but even at $300 an ounce I doubt you'd see a sudden rush to start set-building Liberty Head Gold Eagles, not least because there are many key rarities that are bank-breakers for a majority of collectors. I think a more apropos comparison would be, say, the coins of 1919 in quarter and half-dollar from the three mints. Let's do a quick check using ebay ANACS, NGC, and PCGS certified coins and no qualifiers such as FH, with PCGS Numismatic Rarity in all grades, and number of listings. 1919 25c - mintage 11.3m - PCGS R3 - 21 listings - an MS63 will set you back $250 (non-FH NGC and attractive) 1919-D 25c - mintage 1.94m - PCGS R4 - 17 listings - an MS63 will set you back $2,500 (non-FH PCGS with really ugly toning) 1919-S 25c - mintage 1.83m - PCGS R4 - 19 listings - an MS62 (closest) will set you back $2,500 (ANACS OWH with Eagle Beak clash and very nice) 1919 50c - mintage 962k - PCGS R2.5 - 9 listings - an MS64 will set you back $4.2k to $5.4k, both PCGS, one toned, the other blast white 1919-D 50c - mintage 1.16m - PCGS R2.4 - 10 listings - an MS64 will set you back $26.3k (PCGS with spotty black toning) 1919-S 50c - mintage 1.55m - PCGS R2.2 - 20 listings - an MS64 will set you back $12.6k (PCGS with a CAC green bean) Despite the Walkers being less "scarce" numismatically (according to PCGS) and having more "survivors" they seem to carry substantially higher values than their respective date SLQ's. I would advance the theory that this is because a set of Walking Liberty half dollars in CIRCULATED condition is within the budget of many collectors, whereas the large number of expensive-in-ANY-grade coins in the SLQ series makes putting together a full set somewhat more challenging for collectors without substantial financial means. In addition, there are simply more MS64 and better 1919-dated Walkers out there to buy "right now" than 1919-dated MS64 SLQ's, meaning that buyers have an outlet for their dollars, whereas those MS64 and better 1919-dated SLQ's are few and far between and sell for princely sums on their rare appearances. As a result, pressure from set collectors (and Registry set owners, et al.) pushes values upwards for 1919-dated Walking Liberty halves, while allowing prices to remain somewhat lower for 1919-dated SLQ's despite similar mintages and scarcities (excepting the 1919-P SLQ.) Both coin series are usually considered as having outstanding designs, which is why I picked those two series, to take "good coin/ugly coin" out of the equation. JMHO.
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@paralyze, it's not like I get excited about an 1881 eagle. But I do get excited about an 1877-S. I've been collecting coins for 50 years and I don't fill out sets anymore. I like pre 1860 San Francisco coins. I like non-Morgan cc's. And I like eagles. When I see those scarcer dates selling near melt I'm interested. I think all eagles are undervalued as numismatic coins, and scarcer dates are REALLY undervalued.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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I know what you mean and agree in many ways; I just don't see anything happening at the moment that is likely to create significant upward pressure on values in the series. In terms of cost vs. scarcity, I definitely think classic type gold is strongly underrated, just as you do. Look at the bright side: more great deals for you since you have much less competition. :)
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis
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I first started looking for early S quarters 15-20 years ago. They were difficult fo find, but they weren't too expensive, and I gradually picked up all the pre 1860's. I would go for another of my favorite 1858-S for the stack, but they've gone up a lot and I can't afford them any more. Same thing with Seated dollars. I hope this doesn't happen with the eagles.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Edited by thq 02/23/2017 9:33 pm
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