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I am still scratching my head on this one  Searching Barber coinage still this week at the shop, I came across this half. At first glance I thought , counterstamp, since I have seen many intiials/names scratched/hammered into these coins. Two seconds later it dawns on me...That O covers the stamp...and the D does too....What the ?!?!?!? I showed all the guys at the shop , so far we are still thinking about it..I would love to hear any and all opinions on this coin. The only explanation I can think of is that it had to be on the planchet when struck, but would not the striking obliterate most everything on the planchet ? I know I have seen weak strikes with the planchet scratches visible, but is a weak strike enough to leave that much of a remnant ? The 9's are the same size but they do have different characteristics as far as thickness in certain areas and the bottom serif's proximity to the bottom of the top loop. I don't know if that is just the wear to the struck numbers making it look different than the incuse number....Enough yammering....Here's the head scratcher. The last picture is the 9 from the obverse. The results are in and the survey says......Dropped number ...ding ding ding ding ...foundinrolls wins the grand prize...what ever that is....Was nice to find something unusual after looking at these Barbers for a week, not as many varieties/errors as the Buffaloes. Glad I could share !    Edited by Forum Mom to move to Variety and Error ForumEdited by InfiniteInterest
04/03/2008 10:08 pm
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Wow  That is different... What is the depth of the numeral compared to the relief of the lettering by it? Your theory of it being on the planchet before striking I would think is plausible. I guess the questions are has this been reported before or is it a complete freak of numismatics or could it even be a clever alteration? If no one here has any idea, it may be worthwhile to send it to CONECA http://conecaonline.org/attribution_services.html |
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Wow, that really is something. If that was on the planchet before the coin was struck, wouldn't the actual strike have altered the clairity of the 9 more then it has? And man that would have had to be a deep strike. Also, what, other then a hub, at the mint has protruding surfaces? pretty cool reguardless of the answer. I'm gonna have to watch this thread to see what some of the masters say. Edit: if that was in the planchet before the strike the center of the 9, would be slightly mushroomed out or something wouldn't it? Edited by MorganNoob
04/02/2008 11:24 pm
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Thanks for the tip on CONECA, I didn't even think of that...I came here first...I sent James Wiles an email with pics and a link to here.
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Is that "9" incused?
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I am doing as the thread suggests ... scratching my head.
I can't come up with a theory that explains this coin.
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Drop # very rare send a pic to Fred Weinberg he may buy or help you with it. Ken Potter also
nice find!
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Wow! How interesting! Thanks for sharing this one.
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This is going to be a tough one to explain right. Dropped letters confuse the heck out of me but I think this is the scenario.
It looks like a "dropped letter" error. Of course in this case it is a numeral. On the obverse, the 9 would have been filled with debris that hardened. It then fell out and created the 9 on the reverse die by being struck into it. Remember that a die has the details of the reverse incused. The material that created the dropped letter would be forced into part of the O and part of the D during the strike. Some coins with the damage would look like filled die errors where some of the O and some of the D would be missing. After a few strikes, the clogs stuck in the D and O might have fallen out. That would leave a damaged die creating that 9 and the O and D would be fully struck again after the debris that clogged them fell out.
I think I got that right:-)
Thanks,
Bill
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You got it exactly right Bill. I received a reply from Mike Diamond at CONECA after writing to James Wiles. They both agree it is a dropped number and explained it pretty much the same way- although more succinctly- Thanks for a more detailed explanation .
And thanks Amac44 , I might send them an email about this to Fred or Ken and see if they can put a value on it, the guys at CONECA didn't say- but I didn't ask. I have to find out what the owner of the coin wants to do, since he is a dealer I am sure he can find a customer for it .
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Thanks, I'm happy to have helped!
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Bill
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Wow! That's so dang cool! Does anyone have an idea what that's worth?
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Fascinating...I've never seen a coin of that era resembling that. If the die was damaged, would that mean that other coins were struck? It would be interesting to see a progression.  |
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Nice coin!! I hope I find one like it some day.
Foundinrolls,
Great explaination. Your reply was very educational. Thanks.
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