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This was raised briefly in another thread.

One of our top dealers had a few of our NCLT Silver Roos colourised for resale without the permission of the Mint. Rumour has it this dealer was "persuaded" to withdraw all such coins from sale as it breached our "Currencies Act", it was deemed the coins have been defaced.

US has heaps of colourised coins selling openly through ebay.Are they still legal tender Or more importantly, do the laws of the land allow individuals to "enhance" any legal issue with the primary purpose of reselling it for profit

Here is a scan of one of the two Silver Aussie Roos that offended. Funny part is they are now sought after by collectors and they are quite hard to come by...

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 Posted 11/29/2005  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is indeed illegal to deface coins and currency in the US:

United States Code
TITLE 18
PART I
CHAPTER 17
§ 331. Mutilation, diminution, and falsification of coins

"Whoever fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes,
falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the mints of
the United States, or any foreign coins which are by law made current
or are in actual use or circulation as money within the United States;
or whoever fraudulently possesses, passes, utters, publishes, or
sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or brings into
the United States, any such coin, knowing the same to be altered,
defaced, mutilated, impaired, diminished, falsified, scaled, or
lightened— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
five years, or both."

All that said, people have been defacing US coins for a couple centuries for purposes of jewelry, art, love tokens, hobo tokens, and whatever without serious prosecution. I suspect the key word is "fraudulently" wherein someone could (and probably would) be prosecuted if they defaced a coin with the intent to defraud someone else (e.g., file down a cent to the same size as a dime) rather than deface a coin for other purposes.


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MorganFred you are exactly correct. If you intend to defraud then you have violated the law! You can paint, cut, put on decals or roll the coins flat and the government doesn't care, after all, its your money and you are messing with no one but yourself if you ruin it and most of the coins now being colored are really pressed on decals as the painting takes time and money! I still can't beleive what people will pay for that junk and have seen a few when they wander in to my coin dealer to get their money back! They usually leave p___ off and think the dealer was trying to stick one in them. They can't believe they are the ones that got taken by the TV hucksters or a newspaper or magazine advertisement hyping the value of all their junk!
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The term "fraudulant" refers to the denomination only.

If you look at the terms "alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the mints of the United States" you will see how this applies. In years past, the Mint used edge lettering and reeding to keep people from "lightening" the coins. The "Mutilation" and "diminishes" actually came from the Reales of Eight coins. In the early years, people would cut the coin into bits (pieces) to use as smaller change. Each bit was (if properly cut) 12 1/2 cents each. The "alters", "impairs", "falsifies", "defaces" and "scales" all refer to altering the value of the coin.

Technically, altering a coin with paint, gold, silver, platinum or applying stickers DOES NOT fall under any of the guidelines of altering the denomination.

Now there are two very common alteration coins that are in violation of the law. Two headed or Two tailed coins, and the altered Mule coins. Quarter-Dollar, Half Dollar-Quarter, and so on.
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 Posted 11/30/2005  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chipotle_Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Counterfeiting would seem much worse than some baked on paint that's only used to enhance it's aesthetics.
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So you mean to say that virtually any hobby magician in the US in possession of a double headed coin is in violation
Not to speak of the very common coin in a bottle which was sawn into three pieces to start with
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quote:
Originally posted by ageka

So you mean to say that virtually any hobby magician in the US in possession of a double headed coin is in violation

YES!

quote:
Not to speak of the very common coin in a bottle which was sawn into three pieces to start with


Not exactly, but could be if the coin is no longer usable. However, the FED banks will exchange mutilated coins and currency if they can be identified.
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quote:
Not exactly, but could be if the coin is no longer usable. However, the FED banks will exchange mutilated coins and currency if they can be identified.


I remember reading somewhere that they have a whole unit dedicated to identifying burned money, coins and paper.
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Here is a commercial company that handles mutilated coins:

http://www.gmcoin.com/index.shtml

Here are the U.S. Mint guidelines:

http://www.usmint.gov/about_the_min...ecifications
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