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Fake Ancients? Can't Really Tell!

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 Posted 02/26/2017  10:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mohammadaak to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all,

I was interested in purchasing a number of coins from two different sellers. My experience is ZERO with Romans and Greeks, as I'm only focused on early Islamic coinage. I can't really tell if the following pieces are genuine as I'm not familiar with their original styles. There's nothing necessarily bad that made me question them it's just to be on the safe side. Any comment would be gladly appreciated.

Seller1:
(Antoninianii of Gallienus, Salonina, Julia Domna, and Volusian)

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Seller 2:
(different greek coins)

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For some reason I'm not comfortable with seller 2, I feel okay with seller 1 though. I can't really tell if they're authentic, even though I can tell if ancient Islamic pieces are authentic or not. I guess knowing the style by heart really helps.
Thanks again for any help!
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 Posted 02/26/2017  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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For some reason I'm not comfortable with seller 2, I feel okay with seller 1 though.


I think your instincts are spot on.

Some of number 2's selection - like the Mesembria diobol and the Istros drachm - are among the most highly faked issues on the market. I would scour the fake reports before pulling the trigger on any of those.

For example, here's a comparison of the Lysimachos tet (OP coin at right) with a cast from a Slavey fake:
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The Imperial AR's of #1, on the other hand, look good to me - although that's not my collecting area.

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02/26/2017 11:47 am
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 Posted 02/26/2017  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mohammadaak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, Bob. I appreciate your time! Hopefully this is a good start for me to venture into the classical world :)
It's really unfortunate for seller #2, since his items are being actively bid on.
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 Posted 02/26/2017  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have some bad feelings with most of this coins,when I see the faces of the four Roman coins , I have the feeling it is the same hand who made the dies .For the Greek coins also , in my feeling there is something wrong on the first sight.albert
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 Posted 02/26/2017  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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...his items are being actively bid on.


Well, of course that's why these guys continue to do what they do.

If these are ebay sales, always make sure to check the fake sellers' lists before bidding. Of course those lists are incomplete. But they are a good starting point.
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 Posted 02/26/2017  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
#2's are laughable fakes. #1 I question since edges appear smoothed, even inside splits. #1 just may be , but I would pass, maybe just better fakes?
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 Posted 02/26/2017  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mohammadaak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many thanks for all the replies. It looks like I'm skipping both of these. I'll stick with well known auctions then ;)
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 Posted 02/26/2017  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is no real guarantee no matter where the coin comes from !
Only that your chances of getting swindled are much greater in some venues and much less in others.
Modern technology has made it very hard to detect the fraud.

This link is about a modern 1854-O US Half Dollar. While the subject matter is not an ancient coin if you think the counterfeiters limit themselves to moderns you are mistaken.

https://www.facebook.com/CoinWeek/p...093033199106

Note also the reluctance of the people who comment to accept the verdict !
If people want something to be true they easily dismiss the evidence as being "fake news".

BTW I think you are wise to steer clear of these coins
Seller 2 is obviously bogus
Seller 1 is less obviously bogus
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 Posted 02/26/2017  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please in the future only post one or two coins at a time, too many to look at in one thread. The coins from seller #2 are all fake IMO. I have some doubts about coins 1 and 2 from seller 1. All the others look OK.
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 Posted 02/27/2017  07:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mohammadaak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many thanks for your time. I will make sure to post less coins. Thanks again!
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 Posted 02/27/2017  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lrbguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Seller1:
(Antoninianii of Gallienus, Salonina, Julia Domna, and Volusian)



Actually the coin IDs are slightly different for this group.

In order as shown they are Salonina, Volusian, Gallienus (and his reverse), and Julia Mamaea (not Domna), and her reverse.

Those are very nice coins.
Very nice Salonina. May we see the reverse?
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