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lrbguy Pillar of the Community United States 949 Posts	Posted 03/07/2017 2:57 pm It's interesting that with serrati the flan weight correction could not very well take place at the edge. But scooping it from the interior almost seems worse. However, assuming that the defect is incuse, (I can't tell from the pic) how can we be sure the problem was not something adhering to the hammer die at that spot? Report this Post to the Staff
maridvnvm Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2100 Posts	Posted 03/07/2017 4:01 pm This is an incuse scoop. These marks on republican denarii were a mystery for a while. A weight correction scoop taken from the blank pre-strike is the current accepted theory proposed by Clive Stannard. Here is his article on the subject:- http://stannard.info/stannard_adjus...i_blanks.pdf Martin Report this Post to the Staff
lrbguy Pillar of the Community United States 949 Posts	Posted 03/07/2017 6:27 pm Ah, thanks for the reference. The key to distinguishing a scoop from an intrusion by a foreign body is the presence of what Stannard calls "judders" from the characteristic advance of the chisel when tapped. Excellent study. I'm impressed that you have one. Just out of curiosity, was it sold to you as having a defect, or did the seller know about this work? Report this Post to the Staff
maridvnvm Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2100 Posts	Posted 03/08/2017 02:27 am This came from a large European dealer who didn't mention it one way or another. I have another one but the coin is suffering from lots of other damage too and is quite ugly. Martin Report this Post to the Staff
dougsmit Pillar of the Community United States 1549 Posts	Posted 03/09/2017 9:32 pm For the record, there are those of us who consider such things as the scoops interesting and worth collecting. The coins are not damaged but just show a bit of mint history. My favorite one: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/do...ith/f17.html Report this Post to the Staff
maridvnvm Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2100 Posts	Posted 03/10/2017 04:38 am I thought it worth sharing my other scoop example. L Papius Denarius Serratus Obv:- Head of Juno Sospita right, wearing goat skin tied under chin. Behind head, cooking pot with hook. Rev:- Gryphon running right; in ex., L. PAPI.; in field, triple flesh-hook Minted in Rome from B.C. 79. Reference:- RSC Papia 1. RRC 384/1. RCTV 311. Symbol variety - RRC 13. Babelon 13. BMCRR 35. CNR: 1/049. A "Stannard" weight adjustment scoop on the reverse Rough surfaces due to harsh cleaning. Report this Post to the Staff
rockfish Valued Member Canada 217 Posts	Posted 03/25/2017 08:07 am Great info thanks. One last thing - what is the preferred method of storage for these coins. My Denarius looks a little weird in a 2x2 flip - almost like Roma is trying to bust out of the mylar. What is the best way to store this thing? thanks again Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34430 Posts	Posted 03/25/2017 08:24 am These coins are a little thick, but I store them in 2x2s. Just make sure that you are flattening the staples (or using self-adhesive) so that you don't inadvertantly add scratches to adjacently-stored coins. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
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