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A Countermarked Brazil 80 Reis

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Found in the "bargain" bin today (it was hard to miss, being a very large copper at over 40 mm in diameter). These were overstamped so as to be redenominated to 40 reis starting in 1835. While interesting, in this low grade it's really not worth much. The host coin is dated 182X or 183X, I can't tell for certain which.

A-Countermarked--Brazil-80-Reis

A-Countermarked--Brazil-80-Reis

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03/05/2017 11:26 am
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Thanks for posting this.

I had never heard of a coin being redenominated.

It might be in rough shape but it's a very interesting coin.
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By the stile of the crown and the lettering I would say that it was made between 1827 and 1831. I've researchead and it's not from 1831, but I can't pinpoint the exact year.
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Here's another of this sort, an 1829 40 reis probably being redenominated to 20 reis, although in this particular instance the overstamp was botched.

A-Countermarked--Brazil-80-Reis

A-Countermarked--Brazil-80-Reis

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Seriously -- I would have dismissed this as a damaged coin. You really have to know the history associated with the coin in order not to dismiss these.

Nice addition to this thread, Lucky Cuss.
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buddy There are literally hundreds of coins that have been re-denominated. Some with small punches some completely re-coined. They make a very interesting series of collectable coins.
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swamperbob, thanks. I like digging through the junk bins at coin shows looking for critter coins -- and now I will have something else to hunt for. Of course, I won't know what I have until I get it home and look it up -- but that's the fun part anyway.
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That 40 Reis 1829-R is definitely a counterfeit from that time. The stamp over it seems to be a "Pará" counterstamp. This very rustic type of counterstamp was struck as an urgent measure, to pay the troops supporting the revolution. First they took the coins (just the provincial ones, struck in Goiás(G) and Cuiaba(C)) that had been traded for banknotes from the treasury of the province. After the first leader who ordered the counterstamping was killed another leader also ordered that the remaining coins (struck in Rio de Janeiro(R) and Bahia (B)) were to be stamped.

The stamp over the 80 Reis was struck later we call it "Carimbo Geral"(general counterstamp), some believe the the Pará counterstamp was a precursor of the general counterstamp.

There are also other provincial stamps associated with revolutions in this period.

Here's the wikipedia article about this revolution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabanagem


In the photo you can see:
1. 20 Reis 1827-R with the Pará stamp (10)
2. 40 Reis 1825-R with the Pará stamp (20)
3. 80 Reis 18?-R with the Pará stamp (40)
4. 40 Reis 1830-C with the Pará stamp (10)
5. 80 Reis 1826-C with the Pará stamp (20)
6. 80 Reis 18?-R with the Ceará stamp
7. 80 Reis 18?-R with the Maranhão stamp (1st type - MXX)
8. 80 Reis 1830-R with the Maranhão stamp (2nd type - M)

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