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Identifying Counterfeit Vs. Genuine 1856 Flying Eagle Cents.

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Welcome to the "Identifying" Threads!


Okee dokee! Before I begin, the purpose of this thread is to educate the collector with certain die markers to tell if an 1856 Flying Eagle cent is real or not.

I bet we can all agree that the 1856 Flying Eagle cent is a highly counterfeited coin. Right? Right!

So, here is the information I have collected from all over the net...Thank you whoever has helped me (some of it will be from here) and thank you to Coinfrog and indian_hoarder for telling me about the date:

First off, the 1856 is always large letters

Identifying-Counterfeit-Vs.-Genuine-1856-Flying-Eagle-Cents.


Note differences in lettering, especially how the O in of is rectangular on an 1856.
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Note the difference in the E in "STATES"
Identifying-Counterfeit-Vs.-Genuine-1856-Flying-Eagle-Cents.

On a counterfeit example, there may be a small split in the 5
Identifying-Counterfeit-Vs.-Genuine-1856-Flying-Eagle-Cents.

This is a well known Counterfeit die marker.
Identifying-Counterfeit-Vs.-Genuine-1856-Flying-Eagle-Cents.

Another way of telling is to look at the 5s in each date, the straight part of the five (note picture directly below) is pointed perfectly in the middle of the ball only on 1856s.
Identifying-Counterfeit-Vs.-Genuine-1856-Flying-Eagle-Cents.

Here is the date on the 1856:
Identifying-Counterfeit-Vs.-Genuine-1856-Flying-Eagle-Cents.

Here is the date on the 1857 (the straight part is a pointed a little to the left of the ball):
Identifying-Counterfeit-Vs.-Genuine-1856-Flying-Eagle-Cents.
And here is the date on the 1858 (notice how the ball looks swallowed):
Identifying-Counterfeit-Vs.-Genuine-1856-Flying-Eagle-Cents.

Also note the chip in the ball of the 5 on 1856s.


If anyone has any suggestions, better photos, more die markers, or wants me to do one of these on a certain coin, just let me know.

Thank you for looking!
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Well, the first and easiest test is a quick look at the "5" digit. On a genuine 1856, the short downstroke of the 5 is directly centered above the ball terminal of the lower loop, unlike on the '57 and '58 examples. The absence of this characteristic confirms that the coin is either counterfeit or altered. The presence of this does not rule out a counterfeit, of course, but indicates that it is, at least, not an altered coin.
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The price on an 1856 is SO high that I wouldn't consider buying one unless it was authenticated by either PCGS or NGC.
And if you look at Snow's guide you will see that there's 10 die varieties.
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Yes, as Coinfrog states, add a photo of the date. The 1856 is unique in this series for having a different design of the 5 digit.
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Okay, so you mean like this:

The ball of the 5 looks swallowed on the 1858
Identifying-Counterfeit-Vs.-Genuine-1856-Flying-Eagle-Cents.

The straight part of the five (as pointed out directly below) is pointed directly at the middle of the ball on 1857
Identifying-Counterfeit-Vs.-Genuine-1856-Flying-Eagle-Cents.

Identifying-Counterfeit-Vs.-Genuine-1856-Flying-Eagle-Cents.



And here is why I am confused, the straight part is still pointed directly at the middle of the ball on 1856s as well!

Identifying-Counterfeit-Vs.-Genuine-1856-Flying-Eagle-Cents.


I see the difference between the 1856 and the 1858, but I do not see a difference between the 1856 and the 1857!

I have noticed that there is a chip in the ball on 1856s.
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Devin, you keep this up you'll be an expert on these matters in no time.

Way to go young man!

In ten years, you'll be writing books about these topics, hope I'm around to see it! Very impressive, great initiative!
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Right, good observation. The point of the downstroke on the 1857 is slightly to the left of center on the loop terminal, though not as far left as on the 1858. On the 1856, it is dead center, and once you have seen a genuine one you will not mistake it.
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Hi. I've had an 1856 FE for a couple of years now, and I'm wondering if you could take a look and give your opinion. If it looks legit, I'll pay for the PCGS service. With so many fakes out there, I'm a little worried.


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I too have an 1856 Cent. Mine looks perfectly real to me except it is plastic. other than that, it does look real.
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hey flying leap, I believe your coin to be a Chinese cast counterfeit.
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Tend to agree. Close-up pics, please.
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Coinlover you got it, here's his expanded by your notes

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Devin, don't you forget to send me that coin I just bought off ya!
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Good job devin! 1877 indian head is another good one to look at if your looking for your next project
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Yes, note that "notch" of missing detail of the leaf on the reverse. It is a diagnostic on most of the Chinese fakes.

Check the counterfeit forums for a lot of photos of them.
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Wow..Great info and pictures,
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