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Identifying 1909 VDB Matte Proof Cents.

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Welcome to the "Identifying" Threads!


Okay here we go again. The purpose of this thread is to educate the collector on certain die markers to tell a 1909 VDB matte proof from a regular business proof.

This is a coin that is worth it to know if you have one!

So again, Thank You to everyone who supplied me with the pictures here (that means you too Coop, on the picture of the edges)!

So here we go:

To start, I have heard that on a proof example, the dot in between the D and the B in V.D.B is directly in the middle, where as the business strike has the dot to the left touching the D. Can anyone confirm?

Die scratches next to Lincoln's nose on proof


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Another die scratch under LIBERTY on proofs
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Note difference in rims, proofs have sharp rims and business strikes have round rims
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Die chip next to M in UNUM on proof examples
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If anyone has any suggestions, better photos, more die markers, or wants me to do one of these on a certain coin, just let me know.

Thank you for looking!
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You got me looking at a few of mine. Think this fits the bill, squared rim, die gouge under Liberty, die gouges in front of nose...VDB is weak strike so...?

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Darn! My gouges are reversed!
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I don't think so on that one, the rims on the obverse look round to me.
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After I posted and checked yours, noticed direction of gouges were different, funny there's one under LIBERTY and two in front of nose. I wasn't quite sure, one of my better ones, altho somebody before me gave it a scrubbin'!

Checked a couple other AU's, but sure those are BS...anything else I have is too worn to tell.
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Sorry to here you don't have one.

By the way, the coin is not mine.

I wish it was!

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Here is the VDB on one of mine. Looks fairly centered. Must be normal?



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The concept is good, but it could have used some tweaks before posting. If you wanted to provide a guide, I would have created a finished product to share. Maybe this is a thread soliciting advice instead? It's a little unclear. If it's the latter, a ccf member found a matte proof recently. Cascade?

Here are images for the 1909 VDB proof: http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/3300

And here are images for the circulation strike VDB: http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/2423
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I am just posting die markers to help people identify 1909 VDB Matte proof coins. That is all.
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More die marker please! I may have found one!!
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Post pictures!

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Here's some good pics of the markers. Die scratches at nose, single die scratch coming out of Lincoln's coat ending below the T, the curved die scratch coming up from the top of the right side of the B and most importantly the crescent shaped small die gouge between the M and wheat leaf on the reverse. The crescent gouge is the key marker as the obverse was also used to strike non-VDB plain matte proofs and possibly business strikes

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Does your coin look like the pictures Cascade just posted?

Cascade is the 1909 VDB Matte Proof expert!
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