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Where Can I Find More Reading On NGC Tightening Their Grading Standards?

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I hear about this through dribs and drabs on this forum. Yet google searches don't reveal much. Solely from this site, I learned about the war between the big 2.

Any digital magazine articles you guys can recommend to learn more?
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 Posted 03/07/2017  05:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've been signed up for NGC's weekly newsletter. Theybalso have sent other items like president's letter and a couple other additional recently, but honestly, I didn't read them but trashed the emails. Wasn't interested. Maybe those were their viewpoint about it?. I'll check my deletes and see.


Must have been before mid Feb...do remember a specific letter from NGC brass, just seemed a hoorah attempt, like a sales pitch which things I completely ignore! Maybe you can find that, think it was early Feb, late Jan.
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Basically they are attempting to give PCGS a bad name by saying they are overgrading their coins, and that NGC is more consistent with their grading. IMO both companies have track records that show overgrading on certain types of coins. NGC shafted me with inaccurate grades the last 3 submissions, hence why my coins are going to PCGS for a while til NGC gets their act together. All in all it's a marketing ploy cause they want more business and cause they are running out of good coins to be graded.
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It started with NGC kicking PCGS coins out of their registry sets thinking everyone will cross the PCGS to NGC slabs (personally I believe it will go the other way far more than in NGCs favor) and then it was the letter they sent out in January trashing PCGS and their grading. In my opinion they're giving off the appearance that they no longer fell they can market their own brand so they will try and prop themselves up by attempting to tear down the competition. The letter was highly selective and ignored a lot of things that occurred that explained a large part of it such as the fact the 1912-S 5c had some fresh rolls sent in that someone had which obviously increased the population, and the fact the market prices are depressed as a whole right now compared to when they did price comparisons. The same trends can also be seen in NCG pricing if not to a greater extent but the letter didn't mention that of course. This all happened shortly before PCGS announced record earnings in their stock report and then to add insult to injury the owner of the MS 67 1861 Philadelphia Mint Paquet Reverse Double Eagle crossed that coin from an NGC to PCGS slab. PCGS also responded to the letter by doing a cross over special for the month of February.
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When the politics are taken out of it, it's pretty simple.

Since NGC began their Left Alignment paper inserts (rather than the centered alignment inserts) they have gotten strict to the point of being grumpy.

There are some coins, such as ASE and most gold, where NGC has many times the number of coins graded as does PCGS. So you would think their would be a lot more NGC on the market, too.

Yet no matter where you look, there is a lot more PCGS out there for sale, in almost any category (with a few type exceptions and ASE's and very recent commemorative s).

For those poor souls who have decided to stick with the NGC registry, finding the slab is a lot harder than finding the coin. Which is the exact opposite of what we are taught to do.

Certain areas where PCGS has become noted for their lack of strict grading, an example of which would be the common date and varieties of the Bust Half Dollars. NGC has gone the opposite direction and actually become stricter. You can hear the talk at almost any show of any size.

So right now, the result is the exact opposite of gradeflation, which everyone likes to yap about. For some areas of the NGC encapsulation, the results are making it bad for folks who open their returned orders only to find out they were a grade, or even two, lower than they expected from NGC.

This will have the effect of a lot of submitter's returning to PCGS, just to get a better grade, which will further compound the problem.

I've been snatching recently graded NGC stuff as fast as I can find when I can find the coins I like. I still like buying coins, not plastic. But I will say that when I've put a few of my new NGC slabs in next to a few older PCGS holders and examined how both look one against another that the assigned grades are not consistent. New NGCs given AU-50 compared to a PCGS of the same grade a year earlier or later, and you can really see a difference in a lot of cases (for the Bust Halves, again).

Learn to grade and it's all irrelevant. Then the only person you have to worry about is yourself.
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Thanks fellas! I really appreciate it. I'm surprised that there are no online articles about it but I probably shouldn't be. The deeper I dive back into the world of coin collecting the more I realize the industry is a decade or two behind others. I guess I could subscribe to some print magazines but the way I see it, it would only make me a target.
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