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Doubled Die On 4- 1964 Quarter?

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I have two of these with the same looking 4. the inside to the right and the leg at the bottom looks doubled. I tried to look everywhere on the front to see any other doubling or machine damage but no luck.

Doubled-Die-On-4--1964-Quarter?

Doubled-Die-On-4--1964-Quarter?

Doubled-Die-On-4--1964-Quarter?

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 Posted 03/08/2017  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oldmike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It appears to MD, it seems to show on the rest of the date and what I can see of the word trust although it might be the photo
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Can we see the rest of the coin?
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Here are some full images.

Doubled-Die-On-4--1964-Quarter?

Doubled-Die-On-4--1964-Quarter?

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It looks like MD to me from wear on the die.
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here is the closest I can get. I don't see a flat shelf that MD shows.

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There are two major forms of MD. When the die accidentally jiggles a bit, it flattens parts of the devices leaving a partial shelf-like area. The other form is from wear on the die that manifests itself in various ways.
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try this last image. So this is Die Deterioration?

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If so it is repeatable and a die variety? In various stages of wear?
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Yes, the die was worn at the edge of the device, if it was Machine Doubled due to die movement, it would follow the the device much closer (without the curve). Ironically both forms of MD are categorized as Strike Doubling. The extra movement, thought to be from a loose die, is sub-categorized as Strike Doubling also.
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Not a variety, it constantly evolves with further wear. It is a mint error, damage can only occur after the stike, it's an Over-used Die error. This type of error is common, and only generates interest in extreme examples. Here's an example of collectable Strike Doubling.


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So just like a die crack that evolves over time? Both attributable to over use.
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Yes.
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