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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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There's a lot going with this coin, so I'll let the pictures do the talking. 1863 Indian Head cent, copper-nickel. Snow S-23, mid-late die state. RPD with die cracks, die chip, rim Cuds, etc. PCGS OGH. What would your grade be?   Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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MS64RD
were they using an electron microscope to see rust on the lower part of the wreath. holy cow!
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Question,when they say K1-K7 what does K stand for? I use that term and always wondered? I thought it meant clock but you don't spell clock, klock  John1  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I dont know how to grade this series and I dont notice most of what you point out but the rim Cuds. I do however see that this is a beautiful coin. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
03/09/2017 08:22 am
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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MS-65RB, beauty, with a slight rotation too.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'll say 64. By the way, I don't think copper nickel FE/IHC cents (1856-1864) are assigned color designations such as RD or RB.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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you're right coinfrog..no color designation
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Bedrock of the Community
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K = clock position. You are correct. We don't use C because C refers to Cohen #, used for Half Cent attribution, and l or o wouldn't make much sense. You will sometimes see S for Star Position, mainly on designs with obverse stars. Flying Eagle cents, and Indian Head cents of the copper-nickel type, Coinfrog and Panzaldi are correct that they do not receive BN/RB/RD because when Uncirculated they are more of a whitish color, hence their early nicknames of "white cents" or "nickels/nicks." The rust pitting in this case affects mostly the area left and below of the wreath ribbon, as well as in between the lower leaves and on some of the leaves. It does require good eyes to pick it up if you're not looking for it. The big die chip on the T in CENT is pretty darn hard to miss even to the naked eye. If you draw a straight line from the right of the E in ONE to the last leaf of the right wreath directly opposite, and then go north from there, you will see the main area of the die cracks within the wreath as well as going further north towards the rim and back around to the shield. This is the area which in the latest die states forms a really spectacular Cud, one of many spectacular VLDS-TDS Cuds for this date. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Most informative and thanks!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Is the VLDS and the distance from the last die polishing the reason for the pebbly texture throughout the entire surface of the coin? Thx.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It does look like the later die state you noted and perhaps the hard metal or a thin planchet hurt the strike too. I would have thought the obverse rim was delaminating but you say it's a Cud? My grade is MS63 shot 64 with nice luster. |
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Thank you paralyse. John1 |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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64 is the consensus and I agree. She's a nice one!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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As usual CCF wins again.  I feel that this coin is pretty strong for a 64 and would probably CAC at the grade level -- it has good color, great surfaces, and the only real detriment - strike - is more due to die wear than anything. The photo of the raw IHC below is the one that's in my Dansco at the moment, it's not bad looking either! It's a different variety, but also a RPD with reverse die cracks and the early stage rim Cuds, as well as something going on after LIBERTY. I have it graded AU58.     Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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