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 Posted 04/10/2008  10:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ceaton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can look at it two ways. My way of thinking is that if a coin is in flawless shape, but has been in 15 different peoples pockets, its still BU. No wear, nothing negative at all. If a coin was truly Uncirculated, how would you even obtain the coin? No matter how I look at it, every coin gets circulated, its how careful it gets moved around that determines the grade. This is always a fun argument :)
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 Posted 04/10/2008  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hollywood to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The second its touched with human hands means its cerculated
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 Posted 04/10/2008  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ceaton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Circulated yes, but does that mean it couldnt be in BU condition?
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 Posted 04/10/2008  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismaniac64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WOW! This is a pretty debatable topic. I also believe that BU, AU, and Circ. all are rough various grades that you would give a coin at first glance. I think a lot of people analyze the terms too deeply. If you think BU hasn't ever changed hands, then you probably think AU (Almost Uncirculated) Would mean that the mint almost didn't send the coin to the bank, in which it was put into circulation. But that is my opinion on this by just my short 3 month dabble in numismatics. Keep this debate going. I like to hear other peoples views on this!
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 Posted 04/10/2008  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kilroy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hypothetically, if you sent a perfect coin into a grading service, would they classify it as MS 70 or would they use the term BU as well? It was in circulation when you found it.
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I see your point ceaton but BU stands for Brilliant Uncirculated no matter how you spell it. it's all relative and can be argued for days. but if you put one up on the bay as BU and someone with a bit of knowledge won it what will you do with that red dot? it's not all about ebay though it is wrong to tell someone either new or trained that you have something that is BU and they believe you and buy it weather they know the difference or not the guy they sale it to may know then you started a whole can of worms that an untrained buyer never saw coming. I will mark them as I see them and sleep very well at night.
come on guys there has got to be a better argument for this than what has been said 20 or more times on this post alone.
and yes ceaton circulated can never be BU again.
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 Posted 04/10/2008  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
you will never find a MS-70 in circulation or I have not seen one. but yes if you got the cheap rate they would mark it as BU if it was actually BU but I think that if you sent a circulated coin to any of the top three you get a grade but I doubt it will be what you was looking for
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 Posted 04/10/2008  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kilroy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Gary!
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 Posted 04/10/2008  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j-easy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
who cares, just use the #'s

ms60+ = mint state

imo a coin can be "mint state" and be circulated.

as far as a uncirculated coin being pulled from circulation, thats kind of a contradiction.

yeah its kinda stupid being able to get a coin from circulation and have it graded "brillant uncirculated" I blame whoever came up with the first grade scale.
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 Posted 04/10/2008  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS-60 stands for Uncirculated. or missing mint luster and can have a few very minute bag marks.
BU is actualy a word used by the seller (mostly)
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 Posted 04/10/2008  11:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eyeluvcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would like to think (although, I know it's not the exact definition of BU) that even if you find it in a roll of "circulated" coins, if it is flawless (without bag marks and crud) and seems to be unimbelished with polishes, cleaned, etc.... then, it's BU.

Just my opinion
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 Posted 04/11/2008  12:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add toniblab to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
watch the mint in production of the coins they ding rub down a METAL shut.then the line coin checker rubs his hand threw all the coins and pick out one to look at quality check.then the tub is moved out and a new is put in its place.and when these coins go down the shut there is more than one so now they are hitting each other.even the mint sets HAVE DING COINS.
then when the coins are put into rolls they are touch again to spread them into the counter and roll making machine.

in all BU is a state of LOOKS!

if you want the top grade of coin then look at the PROOF sets.they wear gloves and do them one at a time.

i talk to much!
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 Posted 04/11/2008  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with you Toni. but rolling them and making them is not circulating them. in my books all the coins or most are from mint sets and hand picked. I can go through 20-30 mint sets to find that one coin for my book and almost the same thing on the proof's. but the making and circulating are two very different animals. during the minting process it is considered acceptable for them to touch and be touched where in a roll after it is been delivered to the bank. just as soon as it go's from the roll into a cash register it is considered circulated and can never be uncirculated again
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 Posted 04/11/2008  05:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm no expert. Call me silly; to me, 'uncirculated' is uncirculated. Someone proposed that a coin that's been in 15 different pockets qualifies as "uncirculated." In an extreme circumstance, like each of the 15 stood around and passed to one another with gloved hands and put it into a clean pocket, I suppose that's plausible. Then again, taking a cameo coin from a holder and burying it in the ground means it's uncirculated, too.

I would presume a BU coin would always remain a BU coin subject only to toning. Corrosives, like fingerprints and anything else (except causes of natural toning) that would affect it's brilliance mean that eventually it wont be "brilliant" per se.


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 Posted 04/11/2008  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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If a coin was truly Uncirculated, how would you even obtain the coin?
From US Mint Sets! That is, before 2005 when they started the Satin Finish Mint sets.

I do not like the term BU for the very reason that it is subjective and debatable. Don't believe me? Read the last two pages!

Is it a grade? Is it a condition? it is a state of mind? (good one, Patrick!) Is it FM?
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BU is actualy a word used by the seller (mostly)

I prefer to use the MS grade scale.
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