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Molds For Chinese Coins?

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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I thought that Chinese cast coins were poured into a mold then removed and broken off the feeder, which looks like a tree branch with the coins being the leaves. Then how can this be "authentic"?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ancient-Chi...122434730269

Cant seem to get my head wrapped around these "one-sided" molds...

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@crazyb0, plenty of cast cash are one-sided, but hopefully some of our ancient Chinese coin experts will weigh in. I'm gong to suggest to the mods that your thread be moved over there to get the propper attention it deserves.
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Hello! Those are mine that I have for sale. I guarantee their authenticity.

What you are thinking about are the Qi knives. There were cast in the manner you speak of. Also, those molds were not all in one piece; they were several obverse and reverse molds that were stacked on top of each other. They were effectively glued together when the bronze was poured in and cooled, so they had to be broken apart to get to the coins. (Read more here: http://chinesecoins.lyq.dk/casting/...n_Zhou.html) And, to be fair, how would you propose precisely engraving a mold without having one side completely visible?

However, this process was incredibly inefficient, especially for issues where hundreds of millions were cast. The new adopted process was to make a "mother mold," analagous to a master die today, which would be a carefully-carved positive image used for stamping into clay tamblets to turn them into molds. These molds would have two halves: one side for the obverse and one side for the reverse. They would fit together via an interlocking design and then tied together to ensure no slippage or leakage. I will post a picture of the molds in my collection later; I just put them up and do not feel like getting them out again.

I hope this answers your question.
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Oh, I may have miseinterpreted your question. This mold is one-sided because it was broken in half along the main channel. That is not a whole mold, but just a frament. Here is an example of another fragment with both sides present (from my collection and authentic as well):

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Yes, that does answer my question. So are the coins these molds make then considered cast as well? Think I'm seeing a pour channel on your example. Thanks!
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This should help give you a visual of what is going on.

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Fascinating! Not my question, but thanks for making this really clear.
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The early moulds did not always have a tree. Sometimes the mould is for casting a "mother" coin (from which the actual coins were cast. They didn't need so many of these and made them carefully. The top part of the mould is missing.
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