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Calling All Large Cent Experts

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Is this a s-278 or s-279 variety?

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S-278: Date will be slanted with the last 8 notably lower than the 1.
S-277 and S-279: The tops of the 1 and the last 8 in the date will be about even.

So split the field between the last two:

S-279 (and S-278): A line drawn due east from the rightmost point of S7 will intersect the most foreward top curl of Liberty's hair (above the L in LIBERTY)
S-277: The same line will pass slightly over the top of the same curl instead of running into it.

Your coin is an S-279 since the 1 and last 8 are of similar height and a line from the rightmost point of S7 intersects the top forward hair curl and does not pass over it.

An additional diagnostic that you can use if the coin is not too worn: On an S-277, the T in CENT is ever so slightly tilted to the left; on an S-278, the T in CENT is quite noticeably tilted to the right; on an S-279, the T in CENT is quite noticeably tilted to the left, much more so than the S-277.
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Also, the top of the T in CENT is dropped and tilted slightly in S-279, while perfectly level in S-278.

Adam--you added that just as I posted!
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Thanks a bunch, Adam. I tried to find a webpage that explained the diagnostics but came up empty. I ruled out that is a s-277 because all the coins I viewed with that designation had similar die cracks. I picked this one up for $170.
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An early die state S-277 without cracks and weakly struck areas is a very scarce coin indeed, far scarcer than the MDS and later states with their many cracks and areas where the design is completely missing, resulting in the so-called "12 star" obverse with S1 gone due to die subsidence. The corollary is that the terminal die state (Breen's State IX) which has huge reverse rim Cuds at UNITED is also extremely scarce to rare.

Knowing this (that an EDS S-277 is something you're probably not going to come across in the wild!) you can usually go off the date diagnostics alone for eyeball attribution. On paper the 278 is only slightly scarcer than the 279 (at R3 vs. R1) but this doesn't directly translate to the bourse or auction floor and some dealers will put a premium on the S278 just because of that little R number.

As an aside, 279's are actually rather scarce in their LATE die states, so if you see a 279 with die cracks, Cuds, or obvious signs of a late die strike, that's a good cherrypick to make!
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