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China Empire Dollar (7 Mace 2 Candareens) Fake Until Proven Not...

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 Posted 04/18/2017  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some grading companies have a lower cost service without grading- they just confirm if the coin is genuine or not. A ring tone can be misleading- just like the magnet test can be misleading. Since the coin is obviously not so nice, why not try a micro-spot of bleach in a not-so-great looking place? It will make a black spot if silver. And you will know if it's not silver if it doesn't make a black spot. But then you may not want to have a black spot on your coin. I do this in some test cases where a small blotch doesn't matter.
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 Posted 04/18/2017  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mister Kairu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wouldn't bleach only show that a coin could be at least silver plated?
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 Posted 04/18/2017  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes but yours sure doesn't look plated based on the pictures. I'm still curious about the center. It looks like an unexpected added mark or symbol that I don't find among my references. Getting better pics and a N-52 neodymium magnet could be very useful in this case as well as others that may come up as you acquire more coins. I have a standard array of sizes all suspended in front of me now as I view the monitor on the desk. It' the first or second thing I do when checking for coin silver. A large coin, if good silver will push the magnet away. Naturally if it grabs we know what that is. But if it does nothing (has no reaction at all) then that can indicate white metal or "pot metal" or some other combo which cannot be good coin silver. Actually I found an exception to this test and that is Sterling Silver and some other silver coins from Sinkiang. That should not be the case here. I have good and bad Kiangnan dollars and they behave as I described. A ring test is something that I have also learned can be misleading. If you search online for methods to test for coin silver at home you can find a variety of useful chats or videos.
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 Posted 04/18/2017  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mister Kairu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah I have been meaning to buy some neodymium magnets and found they have some at a freight shop nearby. Basically things I would want to try are ring test, weight, and magnet but other than that (and looking at pictures of real coins, which isn't the best way with this coin since it appears with these types of coins subtle differences could still be ok) all that is left is putting acid stuff on it and see what happens (which I would rather not do). Thanks for all your help! I guess the only other thing is some other threads members were able to tell from the design or lettering if something was not genuine or not but haven't really heard anything about that yet so it must at least somewhat look ok. I will try and get better pics though.
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Keep in mind when you get opinions coming in about characters and lettering that there are a lot of these coins that were made varying in style. There may be 10 or so varieties having differences in some places or another. So you cannot simply say one is good or bad by comparing it to one particular coin. The ice melt test can be done if you have no magnet and I've seen that demonstrated. It's not fool-proof (hardly anything is). But if it melts ice as fast as silver or as slow as typical Chinese fake dollars, that can be a good clue. Take a large copper-nickel crown and a known silver crown and drop a small piece of ice on them and see how fast silver melts compared to the other. Then do the same with your Kiangnan coin.
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Was able to get some more pics and I tried the ring test with another random Morgan dollar. It did ring, but it was a lower pitched ring than the Morgan. Can't exactly describe it with words, but they were definitely different sounding rings (but still wasn't just a metallic "thud" or "clank" noise).

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 Posted 04/18/2017  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Use a microphone and sound recorder to save a file of each pitch. A suspect coin can ring at a higher or lower pitch that can be compared when you play back both files. The better pics are welcome and it's looking more and more like a fake. Those central Manchu characters don't look right and especially with that added item in the middle of the 4 characters. Take a look online at images of the Manchu words for Kuang Hsu.
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