1883-O Morgan- Eagles Beak Area

OK! Got the answer to what VAM this 1883 O is!!

Mr Lee from VAM world has found the VAM for this coin - its a VAM 56
Doubled Ear/ Gouges Arrow Shafts. (Thanks again to Mr Lee for his time and effort personally going over this coin.
See Pics attached.

Pic #1 is my coin
Pic #2 is VAM WORLD
Pic#3- Comparison

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Interesting in that the only other VAM for the 1883 O M/M that mentions Die Chips in the ear is the 36A- which is what thru everything off on this coin because my coin does not have any letter transfers.

Curious to know,

Does anyone also have a 1883 O VAM 56- if so could you please check to see if your coin has die chips in the inner ear and the die chip above the mint mark on the reverse also- in addition to the 2 finds officially listed in VAM World.

Thanks!

JLee was extremely helpful- even explained how we both missed the chips in the ear etc- threw everything off-

Only one thing I still do not understand- still new at VAM'S-
Why the die chips in the ear, the die chip on the reverse above the MM, the die clashes etc cannot be added to the description of VAM56?
I was not asking to make a separate catagory- like VAM56A- just saying why can't it be added to the existing VAM 56 Description that just say's right now a doubled ear and gouges arrow shafts?

It would help other's in looking up their Morgans- yet Mr Lee will not respond to that question- I guess they don't want to bother Mr. Van Allen unless its something major like a letter transfer, yet there are plenty of VAM's listed without letter transfers.

Just an additional tool- thats all- don't know why they will not add this on.

Thanks for the explanation- although I'm not going to pretend that I fully understand exactly what you said, but it is what it is, and I know there are other features to the coin then gouges- arrow shafts.

Just wanted to share them with others, that's all.

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Only one thing I still do not understand- still new at VAM'S-
Why the die chips in the ear, the die chip on the reverse above the MM, the die clashes etc cannot be added to the description of VAM56?

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They can. In order to do that, you'll need separate shots of varying die stages - the chips might not appear in earlier states of that die pair, the clashes will wear away as the dies wear. Of course, you'll need examples of the coin in various die stages to do it....You'll then need to edit them all for publication, and write the necessary copy to describe what you've done.

5,000 times.

That's how many VAM's there are, and that number is probably conservative these days.

Now. What I've described above is being done, at VAMworld. VAMworld is a wiki. You can contribute to it yourself. Just join, learn how to post changes and pictures, and you can help further the knowledge of VAM's by publishing these details on your own. It's all there, waiting for anyone who is willing to step up to the plate and contribute.

My guess is there aren't twenty people who are putting serious effort into VAMworld. That's why these details aren't out in the field yet. Not because there's no way of getting them there, but because there's nobody willing to put the time into getting them there.

I have extremely high-resolution shots of about half of the known 1921-D VAM's. PCGS True-View-size shots. I also have a number of 1878-P Long-Nock varieties. Do you think I've posted details about them at VAMworld yet?

Nope. Some day, when I have the spare time (as if), I will. But it's a lot of work.

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My guess is there aren't twenty people who are putting serious effort into VAMworld.

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I've tried posting there before only to find that an hour later my posts were removed for no good reason. I think some of those twenty people are Territorial about their previous postings. I had left their pictures and everything, but for some reason they didn't want my pictures that had better details. It makes it hard to want to participate.

Chuckster,

The pictures are difficult to figure out there, that is why I do most of my postings here. This site is much easier to navigate.

As a member at VAMworld you can actually edit the VAM listings and descriptions. All the updates and listings are posted by the members. Since you are a member even you could make changes. If you wanted to go in and add pictures of the ear chips to the 1883 O VAM 56, you could do it for everyone else to see. That is what I was referring to when I was talking about my posts. I had added some higher quality pictures to some of the VAM listings, and someone removed them. I don't understand why, they were simply closer with better lighting and angles. That is the draw back of the site also, anyone can change it be it for better or worse.

I have been very pleased with how they are at responding to my questions however. It is a very valuable resource for VAM pickers, we would all be lost without it. JLee is one of the more courteous people there, he has always been more than helpful.

Are you questioning my competence?

SuperDave, if chuckster only knew how many times you had to correct me . I think your post is referring to two of those examples.

However, I think the little details should at least be mentioned, like the 1921-P D1 arrow heads. It should be mentioned in the description that it is a feature on all D1 reverses, or there should be a link on the page that shows these common features. That page would only have to be made once, and then it is as simple as posting a link to it under the various varieties. There would be a great improvement in the learning curve for the beginners. Newbies don't know that it is a common feature, or even what a D1 reverse is. There should be links under the varieties explaining it. Think of the time it would save people from answering all the questions. What my main point is, is that you have to already be an expert to understand the web site. It should be a little more beginner friendly. I believe much of the information is already on the site, it should be as simple as linking it properly. This alone would increase the competence level in people.

Maybe I'll make the changes myself...when I get time. Probably never! Besides, someone would come along and delete the changes anyway.