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In the process of breaking down a very nice world collection, and came across a handful of Ancients thrown in... Anything worth doing some further research on, or are these mostly fairly common pieces? The piece with the Pegasus (?) reverse seemed particularly interesting as did the piece with the duel busts, but well outside my area of knowledge with the ancients...



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A great study group. Some common, some not so much.

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Congrats on owning a nice group of ancients there!
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Looks like there might be a few interesting piece there.
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What is the context of the world coins? The Corinthian stater (if genuine) is probably worth about as much as the rest combined. Does that sound about right for the rest of the collection? Extra care is needed regardless; all classic Greek silver is heavily faked.
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Some decent bronzes !
I like to see that.
As a group I would price it between $400-500
(Off the top of my flattened head that is)
Individually add 50% !
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I'd like to see closer images of the two Roman Republic denarius.
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A little hard to see with pics including so many coins, but I agree with @Finn that some of those Roman coins are super cheap so it is odd to have a spendy Greek silver mixed in with those.
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What is the context of the world coins?


Strong world collection, lots of world crowns, primarily European and 17th to 19th century...

I will grab a couple of individual photos of the Corinthian piece tomorrow & a weight...


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odd to have a spendy Greek silver mixed in with those.


Most of the silver pieces were in Spink envelopes, and were in the boxes with the better world material... The bronzes were mostly mixed in with the loose base metal pieces... Combining them together as a hodgepodge was my lazy sorting...


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I'd like to see closer images of the two Roman Republic denarius.


Those are the pieces bottom left hand and right hand corners?


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The Republican denarii would be the first coin of the second row and, as you say, the bottom left hand corner (L. Scribonius Libo).
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I'll take a crack:

Left to right, top to bottom:

Row 1
1. Corinth stater
2. Constantius II (?) Fallen horseman type. Could use some cleaning.
3. Can't see details
4. Ditto with 2, but half denomination

Row 2.
1. Republic denarius. Can't see the gens name
2. Carthage (these can be pricy)
3. Greek (not my area)
4. Ron already identified

Row 3.
1. Domitian as. Pretty decent condition
2. Another fallen horseman.
3. Greek?
4. Carthage again?

Row 4
1. Republican denarius.
2. Constantine I posthumous
3. Iberian?
4. Gordian III antoninianus, Laetitia reverse. These are usually worth about $40 in this condition
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That Corinth stater is one of my favourite coins, and nothing to set alarm bells ringing from that photo so its possibly a very nice find :)

These other Greek coins are interesting but not the easiest things in the world to pin down. The Second row coin third along is an AE unit with a helmeted bust of Athena (likely propositions would be Macedon, Boetia, Mysia and a couple of others) but though the reverse is distinctive I can't see anything that looks like it (it could be Athena Alkis as she likes to pose in a similar way but that's just a guess)

The Third row third coin has me stumped but the forth should be identifiable since there can only be a few candidates that fit "forepart of horse"

Sorry I can't be of greater help but I am late to the party and it looks like the easy stuff has all been identified :) some good knowledge on the forum here :)
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Second row coin third...the reverse is distinctive I can't see anything that looks like it (it could be Athena Alkis as she likes to pose in a similar way but that's just a guess)


Zeus preparing to cast a thunderbolt...quite possibly Attica, Athens.
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Here are some individual photos of the stater and the denarii:



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Stylistically this stater looks good but aweful surfaces, pok marks and delaminations. I guess many people would still be happy to own in.

One of the denarius has head of Bonus Eventus and is issued by Scribonius
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Re. the Corinthian stater - I'm not sure those are just pok marks, David. It looks like the core is not quite the same metal as the surface. The core metal is darker. The reverse appears to have lost most of its silvering, while the obverse has a thick silver plating over much but not all of its surface.
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I wasn't sure whether the pits are full of dirt or its something more sinister, and the reverse I just thouhht heavy tarnish but I guess you are right on closer look. I was giving it the benifit of the doubt just on the basis the style is good though I was concerned with the surface. I have heard of genuine coins delaminating could someone explain the phenomenon again please?
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