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Edited by rmsexauer
05/04/2017 01:37 am
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Bedrock of the Community
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The inside of the S in the initials looks like a tiny die chip.
Why are the images mirrored?
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 welcome to CCF Proof coins are always difficult. All proofs are double struck to begin with and with a cameo finish you are dealing with the reflection as well. So, unfortunately, I am no help to you. Just wanted to welcome you and let you know that others will be along who can. As a note though DDO's & DDR's are Varieties :) |
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I apologize for the mirrored images.. I just now figured out how to flip them. The camera by default snaps them as mirrored.. it is definitely not a die chip.. the steps or doubling inside the curve of the "s" are all equal distant and there are four of them.. like four little shelves.. I originally thought it was Machine Doubling by its shelf like appearance but it does not affect any other part of the coin..there is something funky going on with the moto "in god we trust" it appears to have doubling in the E and T of "we trust" I actually have 5 of these.. all from silver proof mint sets.. that's why I thought it was perhaps a design variety |
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P.S. Thank you kindly for the welcome.. I am very glad to have found this site. I live in northern Utah and the last coin dealer here is closing shop and doesn't show much patience for helping people. I have so many coins I have questions about and don't want to drive 1-2 hours to the nearest coin store each time I find something odd. Spruet I apologize I do not know for sure that it is not a die chip.. You definitely have more experience than I do and that could explain why I have it on 5 difference coins. It just doesn't look like any die chip I have seen like I said it has 4 equal shelves in its structure. I will spend some more time to see if I can get a better picture.. thanks again for the help I do really appreciate all input.. Robert
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Bedrock of the Community
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Absolutely no apology necessary. I really don't have much experience compared to many here. I do happen to be very interested in errors and varieties, however (and proofs). I forgot my manners so I'm glad you decided to come here. In the area of errors, I'm hoping coop will put a word in about this. I said die chip because it looks like a die chip and that would be a prime location for one considering how small that protrusion on the die is. I could be completely wrong, though.  It's happened before...many times...  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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rmsexhaur, to the family You explained yourself out of a DDO! Huh? you say, MD has sharp, shelf-like separations that can be multipled like that. MD actually will diminish the original size of the detail, that's what you have. Because proof coins are struck twice, that is one more time for the upward motion to shear off on it's upswing. Cool find!  I'll add to this, you may have the result of a hung burr within that crevase point Edited by Crazyb0
05/03/2017 11:57 pm
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Thank you for the fantastic information.. I did a search but couldn't find info..what is a hung burr? Also do you think there is something going on with the moto "in god we trust"? I am going to post a couple extra new photos..This is a different coin.. but all 5 that I have display the same characteristics in the designer's initials and the moto..
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By hung burr, sometimes a wild piece of metal is bouncing around and gets caught in the crevasses. I suspect that because of the diamond polish used to make that mirror shine. Some of that compound gets in the devices, then you have a "struck-through" or a "grease filled" die which decreases the detail height. Proofs usually don't have a Greaser (so called) because there are limited strikes on those dies, never really get that worn down. On the motto, there may be some MD as an upward shaving stroke, not quite sure.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I noticed you changed the images but, if you could, please add the original close-up of the initials.
The new images do show the multiple steps inside the S.
I just don't understand how MD could be the cause of that while having no effect on the S elsewhere.
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Fantastic..thank you for the information..glad to finally get some good input on some of my finds :)
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I added that super close up of the initials back in to the posting..
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Bedrock of the Community
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Thanks for adding it back in. The request was really for others finding this topic later on and I thought that one may be useful.  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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Valued Member
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No problem.. I just got to thinking about what it said when I signed up for this account about the number of photographs being posted. I was being dumb and not thinking about the other people that would not have the chance to see the original photos, I was just trying to rotate pictures out and keep the overall number of photographs down to a minimum. Thank you for mentioning it. I will be sure to leave all photos from now on so everyone can see them :)
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I really don't have much experience compared to many here spruett001, You are better than you think you are, and you catch on fast. Give yourself a little more credit. John1 |
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What ever it turns out to be, it is not a DDO,IMHO. John1 |
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