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1959 Diez Centavos Error? Nothing Like It Anywhere.... Please Help

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 Posted 05/03/2017  11:01 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Mojoe8784 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
It's the size of a quarter and can't find anything similar anywhere.
Anyone that can help and maybe also know the value is much appreciated.


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 Posted 05/03/2017  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It should be a little smaller than a U.S. quarter at 23.5mm and weigh 5.5g. I really can't say what is going on with this one, though.

I'll wait for the experts.
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 Posted 05/04/2017  05:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mojoe8784 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does weigh 5.5g but is over an inch or a little over in size. It directly fits into a quarter coin cap, snug.
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Looks like someone started digging it out, maybe to make a Mexican hobo nickel/centavo? Or maybe made their own copper wiring? Definitely unusual!
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I know nothing about foreign coins but it looks to me to be stamped on the wrong planchet. I don't see a way that someone actually dug that out, esp with the patina and perfection and size of the coin. But that's why I'm here and hopefully people can help me figure it out. Thanks for the comments tho.
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I also see there are many posts on here that have hundreds of views but only 5-10 comments. Is there any professionals on here? Or for those that are passing by to view if you don't have the answer would you kindly leave a comment of where I could find an answer. I'm new to all this and this site is my only resource to reach out if Google can't help me. Thanks in advance everyone.
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I don't know the motive for the intentional damage to this coin, but there is no possibility that this is a mint error.

This could easily be done on a lathe with a cutting or roller tool. Apparently, this was done some time ago.

If the planchet is a little larger, they could have used rollers to flatten the coin around the edges, resulting in a slightly larger diameter.
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Ok, what makes you think there's no possibility that a mint could have done this? If the coin was banged up looking I would agree on a garage job, but seeing thousands of coins and the perfection it makes me believe it's a mint error, however the garage job theory is still stuck in my head that it is possible, but the time and effort to do this to a worthless coin some time ago just wouldn't make sense. Also if it was a garage job would have had to do it when the coin first came out for the patina to match up perfect? Thanks for the comments.
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If a mint error, please explain how in the world it would happen. And why are there no other known examples?
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Just because there are no other examples does not mean it couldnt or hasnt happened.
There are plenty examples of all types on coins minted on the wrong planchet...
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Also there are no marks at all on this coin indicating that it was clamped down,or attached to anything in order to hold in place to do a garage job on it... At the end of the day it's just my opinion and I appreciate all comments to help solve what it is.. thanks
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Even if it were on the wrong planchet, it still wouldn't have a recessed area and raised rim like that. You would either have the design falling off the edge (planchet too small), or the entire design would show on a coin that is cupped to one side (planchet too big) and even then it is quite unlikely that the design would be centered as it is in this case. The recessed area is too uniform for it to be anything but intentional. You mention the uniformity/perfection of it, which by nature would rule out just about any kind of mint error. (Errors are inherently sloppy.) Also, not all forms of clamping would cause marks to be left on the coin and 60 years of oxidation would definitely cause even patination.

Additionally, I'm not sure why you would expect this forum to be populated only with specialists, and that everyone that views any post would be able to make a answer or point you to an answer. Many people on the forum see a title, click to find out what it's about, and realize they have no idea what would be appropriate. If everyone left a comment saying "I'm not sure", you'd never be able to find any pertinent information on the whole forum.

It also seems strange to me that while you are looking for expert advice on this, a member that has over 4 thousand posts on the site (expert in my opinion) gives you a reasonable answer, you disparage him for his opinion, which is different from yours. I don't understand.
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Also there are no marks at all on this coin indicating that it was clamped down,or attached to anything in order to hold in place to do a garage job on it...


This is one way they hold coins that leave no marks on it...

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In this case they scraped off the middle of the coin's face.
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