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Upper Canada Token 1833

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 Posted 05/08/2017  11:28 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I can't seem to find a great deal of information about these tokens other then they come in both die axis.
Are there any varieties for this token and do think this one is gradable, if so would F12 be a fair grade?
Appreciate any help please.

Cheers, Bill

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 Posted 05/08/2017  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have a very nice 1833 To Facilitate Trade Token
UC-12B2 The bowsprit is pointing above the A in Canada.
I would estimate it makes VF and my book says in VF20 it is valued at $35
They can be had for less. It is more common than the UC-12B1 which the bowsprit points between the A and D in Canada. I like it! Here's mine.

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 Posted 05/08/2017  12:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
edited because I had wrong page

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 Posted 05/08/2017  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialtokens to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I concur with TheNickelGuy.
Nice VF 20

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 Posted 05/08/2017  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add torgemco to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Brilliant photos
HoundDog
thanks 4 sharing
regards
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 Posted 05/09/2017  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all for the help I'am certainly pleased with a VF20 grade.
In my book it shows the varieties of where the bowsprit points are only in 1823 UC-12A1 & UC-12A2.
For the 1833 coin it's has both varieties listed as above "A" and doesn't show any reference for one with the bowsprit pointing between the "DA".
Is there actually an 1833 with the bowsprit pointing between the "DA"?
Again thanks to all it's been a great help.

Cheers, Bill

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 Posted 05/09/2017  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks by the values, that you have an older Canadian Colonial Tokens book than I do.
The book(s) may be wrong or the version UC-12B1 may be more elusive than we might think.
I searched ebay and the internet and cannot find a true image of an UC-12B1 with the bowsprit pointing between D and A anywhere. If it does exist and looks like the image in my book, maybe we better cherry pick one. Maybe my book is wrong and they used the 1823 coin, and just stuck that in there. To me the waves look different as well.
It may be pretty scarce huh?
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Nice token Bill..., I haven't got one of these will have to try and find one.
Looks VF-20 to me, nice.
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 Posted 05/10/2017  02:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've collected over 300 different colonial tokens on ebay since 2000, I only have the "above" type, and have never seen a "between" type of this one. I'd bet it's an error in the newer catalogue.

Which catalogue are you using ?

In the 7th edition W.K.Cross, I believe the UC-4 token is incorrectly listed. An earlier Charlton token catalogue has the 4A1 as "man far", 4A3 as "man near", my 7th ed. has it reversed (hoping the old one is correct since I have 2 "man near" with long floor).
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Thank again and the book I have is old for sure it's the 5th Edition of Charlton's Canadian Colonial Tokens 2003.
Here's a copy of the page for the UC-4 token I believe your talking about TerryT.
They must have revised the Token book shortly after my edition, I've noticed other differences also. as an example the 1846 Rutherford Bros. Harbour Grace Tokens NF-1C.
The edition I have they talk of long hooves and short hooves as being distinguishing features for the varieties. From what I understand there's no mention of long & short hooves in later editions. (Page below)

Cheers, Bill

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