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Septimius Severus Denarii, Laodicea Mint

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This denarius I purchased some time back was shown on the dealer's invoice as being from Laodicea. If so, I think it'd have to be be RIC 491a (RSC 592, Sear 6356).

Septimius-Severus-Denarii,-Laodicea-Mint

Septimius-Severus-Denarii,-Laodicea-Mint

The reverse lettering seems large, and I note a distinct claw-like aspect to Providentia's hands. Another visual cue that stands out is the oversized globe.

Here's the Wildwinds webpage for this variety:

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/sear...ml#RIC_0491a

Confusing matters is an image of a specimen that's purported to be RIC 92a:

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/..._0092a.1.jpg

This clearly seems to have the some of the same reverse characteristics observed with my specimen, so I'm unsure of how you're expected to definitively differentiate between the two types.

Here's yet another image from Wildwinds that muddies the waters further yet:

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/...IC_0491b.jpg

The oversized globe is obvious in this case. This is supposed to be an example of RIC 491b (RSC 593), but I believe this is mistaken as the obverse legend looks to me to end with "IMPVIII" instead of "IMPVIIII". I'd take it to be another RIC 491a (or 92a).

I'll wrap this up with a coin from a 2015 Heritage auction catalog, also identified as being from the Laodicea mint:

Septimius-Severus-Denarii,-Laodicea-Mint

I'd remark that this seems to represent some relatively recent trends in the ancient coins marketplace. Certification is now really an absolute requirement if any major auction house is going to handle the sale. And if NGC pegs it as "Choice" and "5/5", then the price gets significantly amplified over that of an equivalent raw coin. What I'm left wondering in this particular instance is to what degree the Laodicea attribution contributes to that lofty starting bid.

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Interesting thread, I don't know enough about the mint to tell. Nice coin though.
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Ok. Where to start.

Your coin is Laodicea, new style IMP VIII. RIC 491a.

The wildwinds 92a is in error. That is also Laodicea and not Rome.

The RIC 491b you link to is a rare cuirassed bust Laodicea variety.

I have three 491as in my collection for comparison.

Septimius-Severus-Denarii,-Laodicea-Mint

Septimius-Severus-Denarii,-Laodicea-Mint

Septimius-Severus-Denarii,-Laodicea-Mint

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The wildwinds 92a is in error. That is also Laodicea and not Rome.


Which brings me back to my original question - all else being equal (portrait, depiction of a particular personification, legends, et cetera) what specific characteristic(s) would show a specimen to be one and not the other?

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Hi lucky cuss

Lovely coin

Don't know if you saw the thread of maridvnvm
a couple of months ago,there were 3, each describing
the differences of Septimius Severus coins between Rome,Laodicea,Alexandria and
Emesa mints.I foumd them really interesting and very
informative,they'll probably help you a lot.

Saludos Paul
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Don't know if you saw the thread of maridvnvm
a couple of months ago,there were 3, each describing
the differences of Septimius Severus coins between Rome,Laodicea,Alexandria and
Emesa mints.I foumd them really interesting and very
informative,they'll probably help you a lot.


I don't believe I'd seen that.

I did a search and found this thread of Martin's that I'll reference here:

http://goccf.com/t/282298

His expertise in spotting subtle stylistic differences between the various mints isn't something I think I can hope to duplicate, however.

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