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1982 Clipped Cent - Big Clip And Blakesley Effect

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Looks like a good percentage of the coin missing.
Can you estimate the percentage missing?


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I would estimate 10% missing. In my experience it's usually less than I originally think. If you have an accuarate scale you could get the percentage by weight.
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So looking at Coins and Canada, the weight should be 2.5 grams.

(2.5-2.3)/2.5 x 100 = 8%

Not bad. Thanks for that Errorcoins222.
Let me know if there are any math errors.

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Nice one , how did you come by it?
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Nice clip! Tough year year to find too. I only have one 1982 1 cent clip and yours is way nicer. Good find.
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Nice one , how did you come by it?


mcshilling - Colonial Acres Unique Deals - thumbnail photo
showed the size of the clip and I thought that it was a
big clip so I jumped.


Quote:
Nice clip! Tough year year to find too. I only have
one 1982 1 cent clip and yours is way nicer. Good find.


Thanks robmck1967 I thought for $10 I could not go wrong.
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Another way to estimate would be to calculate the relative area. 19.1 mm is the diameter, so (pi)(r)^2 = (3.14)(19.1/2)^2 = 287 square mm total area of coin.

Area of football-shaped clip is trickier. I just used formula for area of an ellipse. (pi)(A)(B) where A and B are half the height and width of the ellipse. See below.

I drew lines in the image, put a ruler on my computer screen, and measured the relative distances. Overall diameter 9 inches, total height of clip = 1.75 inches, total width of clip = 5.5 inches.

1.75/9*19.1mm = 3.71mm, divided by 2 = 1.85mm = A.
5.5/9*19.1mm = 11.2mm, divided by 2 = 5.6mm = B.

(pi)(1.85)(5.6) = 32.5 square mm, area of clip.
32.5/287 = 11%.

So by my rough calculation, the clip is 11%. The "football" area would be slightly smaller than a true ellipse, so it's probably more like 10%.

Yes, too much time on my hands, but taking a lunch break from mowing the lawn.

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I think that weight is the way to do. The rim of the clip (weight wise) is a greater percentage of the clip than the weight of the rim to the total weight of the coin. I think that it's les than 10%
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Thanks kbbpll, your analysis is excellent,
we used to use trapazoid areas for profile estimates in
oil traps. Volume of an upside down dome. I can see that
this would be good for a perfectly round coin as your arc
suggests, but the 1982 cent was 12 sided and this may
decrease the area clipped under your football shaped area
assumptions.

I agree Okie, the size of the rim is thick
and thus would contribute more to the weight of the
clipped portion, skewing the percentage. The coin has
had 8% of its mass/weight removed prior to striking, what
percentage of the volume of the coin is missing may be a
different number, pushing 11% as kbbpll
suggests. It's a big clip.
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Area of a circular segment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_segment) times 2 would be the way to do it, for a round coin, but you'd have to know the angle from the center to the clip edges. Too much for my old brain. Probably pretty simple trigonometry since we know (roughly) two sides of a right triangle. Toss in 12-sided and maybe we need a PhD in math. And is the interior of the clip round or also 12-sided?

Very cool coin, SilverDon.
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Nice large clip SilverDon , I have quite a few clips but I don't have a 1982.
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Thanks Denny, didn't know 1982 was a tough clip
to find until mentioned by you and robmck1967.
Looks like some shearing on the clip edge.
How much fun can you have with a clipped cent.

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