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1795 Flowing Hair Dollar, Two Leaves 'Hidden Star', B-4, BB-14

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 Posted 05/15/2017  11:08 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Rarefindsrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi guys, I had started a topic on this coin I inherited and apparently it is a genuine.( I am really happy )

I wanted to know what your Grade opinions are on it. Before I get it professionally checked by PCGS or NGC

Thank you

http://goccf.com/t/288276





1795 Flowing Hair Dollar, Two Leaves
'Hidden Star', B-4, BB-14




1795-Flowing-Hair-Dollar,-Two-Leaves-'Hidden-Star',-B-4,-BB-14

1795-Flowing-Hair-Dollar,-Two-Leaves-'Hidden-Star',-B-4,-BB-14

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 Posted 05/15/2017  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it can make VF20. It has an old cleaning that shouldn't affect the grade since it doesn't appear harsh. Once authenticated it will be a very valuable coin.
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 Posted 05/15/2017  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It it's authentic they will probably grade it f-15.
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 Posted 05/16/2017  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coconutjoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Rarefindsrus

I'm here to learn, so I will throw in my Two Cents. It's my opinion that the coin does not look genuine, and the thread above that you mentioned does not authenticate your coin. I'm sure the experts will comment, but did you read the thread recommended by Earle42?


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Check out this thread. There is a link to a site which allows positive identification of the known dollars of this type (and other). Put yours through the easy to use system, and then check out details as I show with pics in this link.
http://goccf.com/t/287898&whichpage=2



Below are some photo comparisons to known authentic coins. (On left = your coin. On right = authentic coin from TPG) click photos to make larger.



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 Posted 05/16/2017  12:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it's counterfeit, then it's an awfully scary one. The Chinese counterfeiters are honing their skills everyday and nothing surprises me.

Send it to ANACS for a quick and cheap authentication. If it comes back genuine then you can breath a little easier and then send it to either PCGS or NGC for a haute taute holder.

Please keep us posted.

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 Posted 05/16/2017  12:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coconutjoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, I missed Earle42's assessment of the coin on other thread. It seems like authentic. Learned again!

http://goccf.com/t/288276#2448972
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After looking at this I was going to say the following about the coin - "This does not look authentic, if you look at the buds on the reverse they are quite different. On the bottom right side the real coin has two buds on the top side but you image only has one. All of the other buds are off a little as well. I also count 17 buds on your coin but a real one is showing as 19! On the obverse, the end of the curls on the head are all a little off as well. They don't curl as much as a real coin. The first star touches the bottom curl but yours does not. I would have to say that this is a fake." I then did a little research and now I am not too sure. I have seen graded dollars that match my findings but I also see many graded that look very similar to your coin. I guess I need to do more research and learn much more about the Flowing Hair dollars.
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 Posted 05/16/2017  12:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Give the post 24 hours for nss-52 to chime in. He does a lot of great work in the counterfeit reporting section of this website. I'm leaning towards authentic but he spots out counterfeits with laserlike precision.
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 Posted 05/16/2017  01:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It will be interesting to see what this is identified as......fake or real. Hope its real!
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@Coconutjoe

Take another look at the pics you posted. Do all of the genuine examples match exactly? No. Making dies then was not what it is now or has been for over 100 years.

As in the other topic about this coin, my vote is for genuine.

I hope I'm right.

Also, I think it's VG-10.
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@spruett001

Thank you for pointing that out. All authentic coins look different. As a result, I'm studying more about this fascinating silver dollar.

PCGS link about Flowing Hair Dollar.

http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/Hierar...+Hair+Dollar
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I'm at F-15.
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Thank you guys for your opinions, and sorry for the long wait.

It came back from PCGS and is offically VF-25 :)

http://goccf.com/t/288276
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Congrats! That's a home run with the bases loaded!

Please post a pic of the slabbed coin for posterity! Thx!
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Nice, congrats!
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I cant believe that some people thought this wasn't authentic. How in the world can you "fake" that wear pattern?
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