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A Pair Of Related Hampshire Tokens

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1796 Hampshire. D&H 79 and 80 respectively. Die Deterioration and re-engraving all over on the latter, but I believe these are the exact same die pair, and the only pair at that.

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Another lovely pair of tokens, and continuing your nautical theme.
Very interesting to have a study example of Die Deterioration, and it really is a pronounced example too. Are you sure they are an exact die match? Look carefully to where the horse's ears point and the distance between its rear leg and the letter P. I see D&H also lists a variety for this token on which the serpent's spines have been omitted, though I'm not sure if this refers to the spines in the centre of the design (present on both of your coins), or those to the back of the serpent's neck (which are there in your first coin, but not the second).
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Maybe you are right, I had thought I had read somewhere that they had reused the original dies but they were pretty bad off, but I suppose it is also possible to have been simply an attempt at a copy. It is a neat comparison though, which is why I have both of these!
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I love these coppers but only have a gew common ones. Very nice design!
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This token was issued by three tavern keepers:
Samuel Salmon of The Brown Bear,
John Courtney of The George,
and Edward Frost of The Ship Anson.

Edge inscription should be PAYABLE AT S. SALMONS I COURTNEY AND E FROST PORTSEA

The designs represent the three pubs - St George for the George, the fish ( a salmon? ) for Salmon of the Brown Bear, and the warship HMS Anson of 64 guns.

The ship image is of a two-decker ship of the line, meaning it was intended to fight in the line of battle. By the Napoleonic Wars the standard size for a ship of the line varied around 72 to 80 guns. Just a few guns difference does not sound much, but the guns of a 64 were generally smaller, meaning that the weight of the broadside would be a lot less. This would make them unable to stand up well to the French and Spanish ships of the line.

The Royal Navy converted some of its smaller ships of the line into large frigates by removing one deck. ( Frigates were not expected to take part in the line of a large battle, but were used for patrolling/scouting/raids etc. ) This was known as a "razee" from a French word meaning "shaved". HMS Anson was converted into a razee before this token was issued, making the image out of date.
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