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Shekel Of Tyre Real Or Fake?

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 Posted 05/21/2017  08:42 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add McDuff to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi there. I'm wondering if this is real or fake?
Thank you

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 Posted 05/21/2017  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Evidence of plating failure without wear, leads me to think that this example is fake, unfortunately.
Probably originally sold as a tourist copy.

Most probably die struck without a collar, some of the edge dots not properly struck up. Nevertheless I suspect that without confirmation, that the flan thickness is reasonably constant across all of it's area.

I do not have an exact equivalent in my 'black' collection of this combination of failure features,
vis: a split in the surface layer, but sound metal underneath.
The surface condition of metal underneath suggests that this piece may have been manufactured some decades ago.
It would definitely be a keeper for my 'black' collection.
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 Posted 05/21/2017  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add McDuff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thank you for the reply. I feel it is old as well but not sure if it was real. Do you know what the value may be if fake?
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 Posted 05/21/2017  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@mcduff, welcome to CCF. As a fake, your piece would have essentially zero value. Just for completeness, could you please also post the weight and diameter?

@sel, the "evidence of plating failure"--is that the dark black spots on the rev by the eagle's breast and the border dots as well as Apollo's ear on the obv?
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I agree with the others and modern fake.
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 Posted 05/21/2017  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Sel and echizento: fake. The fabric is wrong, there appears to be almost no concavity of the reverse (as is the norm with these), the rendition of the Phoenician letter (?) between the eagle's legs is "off" (atypical), etc.


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Do you know what the value may be if fake?


As Spence says, it's essentially worthless. In any event, fakes should be kept off the market so that they don't end up being resold down the line as supposedly authentic coins. Thus Sel's "black collection" - sometimes these are called "black cabinets" - which many collectors maintain. They are useful as references and study tools but, perhaps more importantly, they serve to keep identified fakes off the market.
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I've had a reproduction Tyre Shekel since I started collecting coins, but it's quite different from the OP's coin. Mine was distributed by a company called Nicolas Laboratories in Slough, England, and was part of a set of coin reproductions given out to customers by their sales reps. A schoolfriend's father gave it to me.

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 Posted 05/22/2017  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add McDuff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone. Very disappointing but that's life sometimes. I'm just sad my Dad was taken advantage off many years ago. I've learned the lesson for my Dad. Thanks for all the info all.
I still want to sell the collection as I am not a collector. I will sell the lot together.
Thanks again all
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