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1888 Canadian Brass Penny?

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 Posted 05/21/2017  4:36 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add robert ryan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi everone, I was looking through my old pennies and found this particular one to have a more goldish tone to it. I was wondering if they had errors for that year and maybe ran a few brass pennies like the 1859 one. Here are a few pictures. Let me know what you guys think? Could this be a one of a kind, or am I dreaming?

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 Posted 05/21/2017  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgCoinAu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Depending on environmental conditions it's very VERY likely for bronze to turn this colour. On many different coin web sites there's probably 20 posts per year of people asking if they have the 1859 brass cent. The only true way a person could know is if the coin is tested by XRF.

While there are others on here who have a lot more knowledge, I can say I have never read up on any 1888 brass cent. But I hope one of the experts chime in eventually.
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There are legit examples of off-metals errors in this series, albeit, very rare:

http://www.bankofcanadamuseum.ca/co...-1-cent-1882

You have to have it tested with an XRF (which is non-destructive). I have tested a number of examples of coins from members here that "looked like brass", so far, none were actually brass.
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 Posted 05/24/2017  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robert ryan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The guy that did the test told me it was brass just by looking at it before the test. So here is the XRF scan picture. Tell me what you think and maybe how much would this be worth. I took extra pictures in direct sunlight.
Thank you all for your help.
Bob

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 Posted 05/24/2017  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Get it graded by PCGS and off to a major auction house, there is a huge amount of large cent collectors. Notice you are in Quebec, TCNC will send this coin to PCGS, probably worth all the fees involved if not counterfeit
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Your XRF readings are right in the ballpark for Bronze, not brass. For brass, you would need at least 4-5% Zinc, far outweighing the tin. The original called for was to be 95 copper, 4 tin and 1 zinc but, back then, mixing the alloys and pouring them made your coin well within accepted specs. Yours is bronze that has been heavily cleaned with any number of cleaning compounds from under the kitchen sink.... that's what makes it yellow or brassy.
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There is little or no tin (Sn) in brass, that is a bronze alloy. The off metal brass coin I linked from the currency museum in my previous post is the composition of cartridge brass, which is almost 30% zinc.
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 Posted 05/26/2017  01:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canacoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This thread is why I joined CCF. Great stuff.
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