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Hey folks new to the forum here. I'm hoping I can get some help with a 1999 D Lincoln Cent that looks to me to be a Wide AM. I cannot find any information on a Denver minted Wide AM Lincoln Cent anywhere so any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated, hope the pictures are clear enough.   |
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I even measured the top of the A to M and the whole letter A is farther away than the other one.
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 to the forum! Not sure what you're asking. From 1993 on the Normal reverses were the " Close AM". Before 1993 the Wide AM was normal. On the 1998 to 2000 Philadelphia mint coins the error is to have a " Wide AM", where the M is centered directly between the A and E. This was supposedly because a Proof revers die was used on business strike coins. The 2000P is most common, followed by the 1998P, the rarity being the 1999P. This also effects the designer's initials "FG" to right of memorial. Goes "Wide AM, Close FG" and " Close AM \, Far FG"...hope this helps. Concerning your D mint coins, notice M isn't centered on each, shows two different normal reverses were used, not an error, SOP. Edited by Crazyb0
05/27/2017 9:42 pm
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Thank you for the great information, I'm trying learn all I can!
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One thing to note with the coin on top is the build-up of contaminants (gunk). Because the top surfaces of the letters are narrower than the base, build-up around the base will cause the appearance of the A and M being farther apart. That's why the other indicators mentioned above are important. All of the signs must be there, otherwise your eyes may be fooling you. Also, note the position of the A in STATES. On a Wide AM, it should be centered between the Ts and these are not (shifted right). Keep searching, they're out there!  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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05/27/2017 11:48 pm
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 with Crazyb0 and spruett001, not a Wide AM. |
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Crazybo this brings up a question I've been wondering about for quite a while now. Supposedly proof dies were used on the Wide AM strikes. The question I have is if all proofs are struck only in San Francisco what were these dies doing in philly and Denver ? Were they shipped to the wrong places? Does philly still make all of the dies or does each mint make their own? These may be silly questions but I have to ask. |
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The only answer I have is that the circulation strike mix ups came from the Philly mint. Also, the SF mint proofs were effected in reverse fashion.
It seems to me that the Philly mint was creating both of those die sets. I don't think the Denver mint was involved in this mix up.
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And they did this for three years in a row . Wow Talking about someone not paying attention lol. It gets better I read on wexlers page "how dies are made" it says that all of SF working hubs and dies are made in Denver and sent to SF for their final detailing. Also in the "wrong design" part of wexlers it says there is only one die found so far on the proofs that was used in 98 and in 99. So apparently all three mints were not paying attention to detail with SF being the most diligent.
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05/28/2017 09:11 am
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Quote:Crazybo this brings up a question I've been wondering about for quite a while now. Supposedly proof dies were used on the Wide AM strikes. The question I have is if all proofs are struck only in San Francisco what were these dies doing in philly and Denver ? Were they shipped to the wrong places? Does philly still make all of the dies or does each mint make their own? These may be silly questions but I have to ask. Until 1997 Philadelphia made all the dies for all three mints. The WAM cents of 1998. 99, and 2000 are all the result of dies that were hubbed with the proof hub that didn't get sent to San Francisco and were used to strike business strikes in error. In 1998 and 99 there was a reverse die hubbed with a business strike hub shipped to San Francisco but mistake, polished and used to strike proofs. Since 1997 Denver has made their own dies from a Master Hub provided by Philadelphia. Since Denver made their own dies a WAM from Denver after 1996 is not possible. Although no Denver WAMs before after 92 and before 1997 are known, in theory they could be possible. |
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conder101,good information,thank you.
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I'm glad I joined this forum! This kind of detailed information and education I've found is tough and time consuming to gather just off of internet searches alone. It really helps me and my fellow newbies!
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Could it be possible for a Wide AM die from 1992 or earlier to have been not been changed and used by accident? |
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Both are closed AM's. The gaps in the closed AM varies with die wear.
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Quote:Could it be possible for a Wide AM die from 1992 or earlier to have been not been changed and used by accident? Like I said in the other thread, please post some pics of the coin in question so we can see if it's close or Wide AM. |
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