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Double Eagle 1903 Possible Proof?

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 Posted 05/29/2017  09:35 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add aleroe to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Any opinions?

Good contrast, with nice mirror effect, atleast on the portrait.

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 Posted 05/29/2017  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aristarchus123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder why the mirror-like surface only appears on the obverse.
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 Posted 05/29/2017  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aleroe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It has some slight mirror on the reverse aswell, but not as much as the obverse.
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 Posted 05/29/2017  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CollegeBarbers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It appears to have just been harshly cleaned, possibly with PL surfaces on the obverse, but I don't know much about classic proofs so I'll defer to more knowledgeable members.
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It appears to be a coin that had a Prooflike (PL) obverse that has been cleaned. I have a PL $20 liberty that should be on its way in the mail soon that I can show an example of what a PL should like when it arrives.
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I'm not so sure if i'd be ready to jump on the "cleaned" wagon yet, the field on the obverse is definitely worrying to me but the reverse looks fantastic, I'd like to see some more photos
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 Posted 05/29/2017  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks to be a coin that had a PL look to it......I'll wait for some other more knowledgable members to chime in.
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The obverse just had a really new die.
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TypeCoin, Are dies not replaced at the same time? I can't imagine a reason for one die to need replacement before another unless it shattered or something, but I still would figure that both would be changed out at the same time so the schedule is synced between the both of them.
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Dies are not changed at the same time. Oh, I guess they could be. Another possibility is that when they start striking coins for a new year, they might mate the new obverse with a reverse they used the previous year.
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It looks like a business strike with a prooflike obverse.

It is not uncommon for just one of the dies to be replaced with a new one. I think it would just add unnecessary labor costs to take out both dies when one of them is perfectly serviceable. The 1922 cent die pair 2 is one example where only one die was replaced. You also see it with Morgan dollars where one side is DMPL or PL and the other side has the typical cartwheel luster.
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I suspect that an ex proof die may have been used for the obverse. Why not use such an expensively prepared die rather just discard it?

To ensure that it is not to be regarded as a proof, an ordinary business strike die was used for the reverse.

The obverse is impaired way down from proof quality anyway, so this coin needs to be graded as a business strike.

As a collector, if I had a choice, I would always choose this coin over an ordinary business strike in the same condition. I happen to think that this is quite a desirable example.

Has not been cleaned. A bit weak in Liberty's hair band. Lots of hairlines on the obverse, which hints that wear may be possible, but I have to admit, I cannot see any wear in these pictures.

MS61 or 2.
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TypeCoin, Are dies not replaced at the same time? I can't imagine a reason for one die to need replacement before another unless it shattered or something, but I still would figure that both would be changed out at the same time so the schedule is synced between the both of them.


It is fairly common for a Morgan dollar to have one side being PL aand other being lustrous.
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 Posted 05/31/2017  03:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aleroe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the input!

So, in the end, I should slab this coin?
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