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1833 Bust Half Contemporary Counterfeit Or No-No Site Coin?

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1833-Bust-Half--Contemporary-Counterfeit-Or-No-No-Site-Coin?

1833-Bust-Half--Contemporary-Counterfeit-Or-No-No-Site-Coin?

No evidence of edge lettering.
It weighs 13.5 grams.

XRF shows 94.04 silver, 5.96 copper.

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I tried to Overton it, but the pictures aren't clear enough.
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Thanks TreasHunt. I bought this as a contemporary counterfeit. I've looked at the cc bust half site and didn't find anything that resembles this one.

I'm not into it for very much $. Just bought it as a curiosity.
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I collect the contemporary fakes also.

Besides the Bust $1/2's, by Overton
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I just checked the no-no site, and it did not come from there.

Do you have a weight by any chance?
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13.5 grams Typecoin. XRF said it was silver.
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scotty - what tipped you off that this was a counterfeit?
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It was sold to me as one Coinfrog. I paid less than $40 for it if I remember correctly. It was an impulse buy. I tend to do that a lot.
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IDK looks authentic to me. I'll take it if you no longer want it. Are you an impulse giver too?
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scotty - I think we all buy on impulse every so often. Bust halves are hardly a specialty for me, but because this appears so genuine to my eye, I was just hoping for some insights as to why it might not be so.
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I agree Coinfrog. The absence of any edge lettering is about the only thing I see wrong. Like you, I haven't learned enough about the series.

Is the 94% silver 6% copper ratio within tolerance?
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well, if you ever want to 'dump' it!

:)
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Yep if it doesn't have a lettered edge its fake. A really scary one.
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I would have to wonder why someone would make a contemporary fake,
and put more silver than a real one?
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"Yep if it doesn't have a lettered edge its fake. A really scary one."

Sorry but this isn't true. You can have Capped Bust Half coins that never passed through the edge lettering machine. I recall seeing an Overton chart with the various edge lettering errors and the absence of lettering was one of them. If I recall correctly it was very rare. If that was the only diagnostic to indicate that this coin was a fake then I would look into it further.
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If you can't match it to an Overton die pair, its fake. The odds of you discovering both a new die marriage at the same time as a mint error of missing the lettering machine is so small as to be impossible. Are you saying you can't match either obverse or reverse to known dies?
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