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So I am still very very new to collecting notes.. I've been collecting coins for about 6 years but now want to add notes to my collection.. is it better to stash away bricks and straps of brand new uncirculated bills? ..... or would it be better to swap these in and out of the local banks to look for older/special/star notes?
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I guess it depends on how long you plan on holding on to new straps.

If I were just getting into notes (I haven't), I would take a more focused approach. I don't really see the point in investing in bricks of brand new notes just to let them sit there until they're worth a premium (if it even ever happens).

About all I do now is check for fancy serials on what few notes pass my way.

That's just my opinion but, I'm not a currency collector.
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The new bills will likely never be worth much because they are SO mass produced. In the long run, it's better to buy large size notes. These are always in demand and they will hold their value. I'd recommend starting on silver certificates. A nice problem-free 1899 $1 silver certificate can be had for around $100, or the amount of a strap. You then own a piece of history and gorgeous artwork.

Here's one, for example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1899-1-Silv...322536989006

1923 $1 silver certificates are even less expensive and a problem-free circulated note sells for $20 to $30

Here's one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1923-1-Larg...311881187993

Or if you want to step it up a notch, the 1923 $1 notes have star notes that are affordable too.

Here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-Fr-237-1...192204604241
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 Posted 06/06/2017  03:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmsexauer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So I think those are both great ideas.. I do see folks selling straps of brand new bills for what amounts to about $8-$10 per strap after fees and shipping on ebay, but that seems like a lot of effort for a small return.. I suppose I could do a bit of a 3 prong approach.. buy both new bricks and circulated notes from the bank to search.. keep the good ones and trade in the rest.. I do have a BEP brick of $1 notes with a strap containing a quad repeater.. so I guess in that instance I could keep that strap and trade in the remainder.. this also allows for the possibility of finding entire straps of uncirculated star notes.. search circulated bills for treasures.. but also keep my eyes open for great deals on large size notes...
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I do see folks selling straps of brand new bills for what amounts to about $8-$10 per strap after fees and shipping on eBay


Are they actually "selling" them or just have them listed for a Buy It Now price hoping for a bite? - Big difference.
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I know of at least two sellers who have sold full bricks of 2013 series $1 notes for $1500.. and $2 note bricks for over $3000..

I know another seller who has SOLD over 849 individual 2013 series $1 note straps.. another sold 22.. and I personally sold 2 of them myself.. one for $128 and the other for $135 per strap .. minus fees ( ebay and paypal) and shipping (with insurance) I made between $9-$11 profit on each strap..(if I wanted to match the lowest price seller I would make $6.29 profit per strap.)

You can find tons and tons of new series 2013 notes in all denominations & quantities (not just full straps)being purchased (actual sales) on ebay .. my true question is if the profit margin is enough to make it worth my time vs strap searching circulated currency from the bank vs watching for Large Size notes that I can score at a good price, hang on to for a little while and then re-sell? Two of my local banks said they have no problem at all supplying me with full bricks of brand new BEP shrink wrapped notes in any denomination as much as I can afford. They regularly keep new uncirculated $1, $5, and $100 note bricks in stock. I was curious as to why people were buying these above face value.. I assumed on some, they are novelty gifts for birthdays, gift for a new collector (child)etc.. but in my particular case my buyers were both heavy hitters both with currency stores (physical buildings) plus ebay sellers with multi-thousand ratings.. so I asked them why they would purchase a strap from me and what they were looking for.. I was told by both that they were looking for high quality new notes and notes for putting together block sets.. ? Personally I love the hunt.. I love to search both coins and paper currency for old and unique items, but if there is profit I can make in the process in order to further build my personal collection I would like to seize the opportunity.
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Based on the title of this thread and the first post... OLD. Old notes will usually fare better than modern, especially in good condition.

But that's my opinion for building a collection and value for the long run. If you're talking flipping to make money, which it seems like from the follow-up posts; I don't know.
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putting together block sets?


Block collecting is just one way to collect choice uncirculated $1 FRN's, such as your bank straps, and organize them into "block sets". The block collecter would need to find one note from each block of each series, of each printing facility (DC and Fort Worth) non-star and star notes. Some series have upwards of 100 or more different blocks. For example let's say you start with series 1999, so you would need a note for block AA, AB, AC, AD, AE, AF, and AG. Then one note of each B block from BA through BQ and so on, clear up to block LW. According to my modern FRN guide, series 1999 has 130 total blocks.
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I have also read since posting this thread that some people send in entire straps or bricks for bulk grading? Not sure with new series notes how that would increase their value (substantially anyway.)

Celtic... to clarify I do want to build a collection of all variety of notes, just as I have with coins.. but I also take what opportunity is available to flip items to help fund the building of my collection with more desirable items.. if I can profit on an item I get for free (minus gas and effort) in order to purchase a Large Note for example .. that helps my hobby fund itself..
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