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Edited by artstaz 06/18/2017 8:16 pm
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The way the grain of the metal is seen flowing towards the rim the doubling (defect) you see is caused by a worn out die - Die Deterioration.
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Artstaz, boy, had me going for a bit. Thought it may be a distorted. VLDS DDO for a minute, because thought I was seeing notching on the letters among that metal flow and some MD. The major give-a-way came when I saw the closeup of WE, see the die crack between WE and designer initials? It's definitely MD in NW/SE direction, die cracks don't look like that normally...that MD matches all over. What an interesting set of combined flaws on that one! 
Edited by Crazyb0 06/18/2017 9:57 pm
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Wow....Crazy! I never noticed that one....thanks for pointing this out to me. I have been doing research on this particular flow and it seems your right Crazy. They are interesting flaws to point out. I'm going towards more of die fatigue. This doubling will usually but not always be in combination with an "orange-peel" effect on the fields of the coin, created by the stress in the metal on the dies. Then again, I thought maybe, the line between the "numbers" mainly, the "U", "R", and "GOD", could be a "double die'" Lets not forget a possible Strike Doubling on the "D". Notice that there are no splits in the serifs on this "D"? The doubling is flat, shelf-like, and low to the field. Just my opinion guys. Learning from experts like you makes it all more challenging indeed.... 
Edited by artstaz 06/18/2017 10:51 pm
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The "doubling" on MM is classic MD as well. My impression is that there is "two direction" MD. This can happen on the downstroke (#1) and in the reverse, or any other direction as the hammer die moves away (#2), and usually when the die is loose. This usually makes quite a racket until the operator gets his trusty screwdriver and tightens it up!
That die is very stressed, notice just how many fissures are beginning to start off the ends of the letters (close-ups), wow. Wonder if that die didn't just flat explode!
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So is it worth sending it in for grading? 
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For grading, I don't think so, these are not valuable errors, just damage on coin, grading fees woul kill you on any value. Because the 6, 9, and D are all in same direction it's MD, besides VERY seldom is a coin both DDO and RPM. Whenever you see both, big red flag, with clear MD, well, you get the picture. Post another pix with all motto in it (IN GOD WE TRUST), may have to move back, but get it all in one w/ better lighting. Same with LIBERTY, get as much as you can in one pix. Hint; some times close-up get TMI, don't need that close for DDO/RPM. Take a look at these examples:    I'm still trying to figure out that notching on some letters, it is most likely Die Deterioration & MD at same time, but, need the backed up fuller image of all letters.
Edited by Crazyb0 06/19/2017 12:50 am
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Edited by Crazyb0 06/19/2017 2:39 pm
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Well at least now I know what it really is Crazy. I thank you again for your time and expertise. I learned a lot from this one and hoping to learn even more as the story moves on and on.....  Like I said on my previous post, I have a 1965 Dime with a different error variation. I will post it maybe later tonight. Until then thanks again.
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