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Unidentified Islamic / Ottoman / Turkish Gold Coins

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 Posted 06/20/2017  10:21 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add lmoonstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I purchased two gold coins that were only identified as being from Turkey. I believe the first one is an 1807 gold coin from the Ottoman Empire. It measures approximately 20mm. Any other help identifying it is appreciated.

The second coin I am stumped so would greatly use any help. It measures about 12mm.

Thank you!

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 Posted 06/20/2017  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I hope you did not pay too much for those two. The first one is not real; it is a token that was made for jewelry purposes. The give-off to that is the regnal year at the top of the first picture, which reads 78. No ruler from the Ottoman Empire has reigned for that long, so it is an impossible date. Those tokens were supposed to imitate real gold coins (for those who wanted to wear gold coins but could not afford them), and are typically made of brass. Yours looks less brass-like than most I have seen, so I would guess it could have been gold-plated.

As for the last one: I have never seen anything like that before, and I cannot seem to find one like it. Not only is the year 122 extremely odd, but that coin looks way to crude for me to believe it is real. My vote on that one is that it is a counterfeit.
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Both look like belly dancer coins to me. Rough copies that jingle and flash on a costume but couldn't possibly pass for real currency where they would have been legal tender.
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 Posted 06/23/2017  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lmoonstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help. The only thing that is odd if you are right is that they both tested as gold. Seems to be a lot of trouble to go through to make fake gold coins rather then just use real ones.
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Hmm... how were they tested? I do not know of any gold tests (though there are certainly some that exist), but I am just wondering if the two being plated with gold would give gold-positive results. Now, I am not too sure how people plate coins with gold, but the process puts a thin layer of gold around the coin—a layer so thin that there is not really a gold value to it.
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 Posted 06/25/2017  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They are both jewellery replicas, and if they actually do test positive for gold, then the fineness is probably lower than what the genuine coins were made of. The "Year 1223//78" coins are quite commonly encountered on the forum and are usually brassy; example.

Examine the holes closely. Does the metal look like gold all the way through, or is it more greyish in the middle, with a yellow coating?
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They are just 'belly dansers tokens propably not even gold
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