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I am not familiar with these coins. I wonder if this is the RE variety or I am seeing something else. Any thoughts or information would be appreciated. I have had to reduce the file size so I hope the photos are detailed enough. Thanks.     |
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Pillar of the Community
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Machine Doubling... the 1940 and 1940 NFLD 1c "Re-engraved" varieties are both mis-named, both are Machine Doubling |
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New Member
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I see. Do you think this is an example of the Machine Doubling referred to as "Re-engraved"? Or am I just seeing what I want to see. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Yes...ICCS would call it "re-engraved"...
it's a nice variety, much more difficult than the 1940 "RE"...
I really like it...and have 6 or so examples of it...
very very difficult to find in high grades like AU or Mint
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07/14/2017 4:12 pm
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New Member
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Thanks. This has been very helpful. Always a good day when you learn something.I appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
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Valued Member
Canada
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I thought the 1940 variety was an actual re engraved and this one_1941) was just machine doubling(I believe they changed it in Charlton to reflect this). So they are both not actually re-engraved?
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I have many examples of both...looked at both under microscope... unless someone knows otherwise, both the 1940 and 1941 are Machine Doubling, NOT re-engraved |
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Correct - both dates are not "re-engraved" in the proper sense of that term.
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Machine Doubling...
the 1940 and 1940 NFLD 1c "Re-engraved" varieties are both mis-named, both are machine doubling If you are aware that these coins are MD why are you not aware that MD is an error and not a variety, your ebay listings describe coins with such doubling as varieties. I'm quite concerned as you are always mentioning your upcoming book on Canadian varieties. Do you know what a variety is? Or do you plan on taking this hobby back to the dark ages? "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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07/15/2017 12:57 am
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DBM...when I publish volume 4 of my book series, on Maritime varieties...both coins will be referred to as what they are... " Machine Doubling"...I believe the short-hand is "MD" until then, given that every Canadian publication, book, Charlton Guide, Trends, ICCS and every seller in North America has referred to these incorrectly as "re-engraved"...that's how I will refer to them in my auctions...you know, when in ROME... if you have an issue...take it up with the un-educated individuals who own ICCS, Charlton, Canadian Coin News, etc...if you are a true warrior for varieties, and not just an armchair online complainer.  Edited by canadian-varieties
07/15/2017 04:02 am
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Yes, I agree DBM. Machine Doubling is an error, not a variety. A variety is a group of coins struck by a die that has anomalies making it different from other coins of the same design. These are coins struck from good dies that have been approved by the mintmaster, using good spec'd planchets and struck with machines in proper working order. Since Machine Doubling is caused by the keepers/catches being loose, allowing the die to slightly move in it's housing, it's an error, not a variety. Common misusage in the last 20 years has allowed this type of "doubling" to creep in the variety collecting, muddying the waters for many. Varieties take in all sorts of die modifications, including changes to the image, legend, manual repunches(dies), re-engravings(master or hub), fonts, and any other modification that changes one working die that makes it different from another. Cuds, die cracks, clips, weak strikes, Machine Doubling, strike-throughs, etc are all errors, NOT varieties. Even though machine doublings are neat to look at and are similar-looking to manual repunches or hub-doublings, they shouldn't be called varieties, regardless what a TPG, ebay listing, coin guide or other publication calls it. I'm sure that I have broken the rule many times, when trying to show or explain differences that appear on coins, especially Vickies. BTW, C-V, I HAVE brought this up to the publishers and TPG's, but it falls on deaf ears, especially the oft mis-informed individual that writes error/variety columns for CCN. Edited by okiecoiner
07/15/2017 04:29 am
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100% correct okiecoiner... I do find it interesting that variety collectors will waste time attacking other variety collectors online in regards to nomenclature... ...when in reality...the waters were muddied by the flagships of Canadian coin collecting like Charlton, ICCS, Canadian Coin News Trends, etc...which are at best incompetent, and at worst, entirely rotten to the core... you can't take a field "back to the dark ages" if it's already there, and always has been.  Edited by canadian-varieties
07/15/2017 04:13 am
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New Member
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Sorry if I caused any acrimony but I appreciate the conversation. I have a better understanding of this coin and coin terminology in general. All very helpful. Thanks.
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Pillar of the Community
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Intocoins don't be sorry for that wonderful exchange between members of this forum . Look forward to reading them , you'll learn alot! I have and still am ! Oh and ya...  Edited by Canacoins
07/17/2017 11:41 pm
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