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2014 cent. Is this a die break?  "Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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Bump, its a die Crack, a break is where a piece has broken off the die...think of the "BIE" errors and the "Filled Numbers" (9's, 6's), those are die breaks where the die "fills up" with the missing area broken off the die face.
Also, die cracks seem to start at a "stress point" such as the corner, point of design elements. This starts on the N and is extending outwards to the rim eventually. You can tell this is a late stage die by the metal flow ring around the rim.
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07/23/2017 2:55 pm
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Gotcha. Thanks for the education, Crazy.
So, they see this has happened and repair / replace the rev die before it breaks hopefully.
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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Crazyb0, you are doing great so far with the book for dummies. I like it. :)
Errers and Varietys.
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Nice pictures but to prove, need to take another, with the light in the opposite direction for us to compare if ridge or groove in the coin. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am never keen on so called CuNi 'black beauties'. I have made them quite easily, by heating a CuNi coin on a stove to red heat, and dropping into water. Looks very confusing to a checkout chick, who will often refuse them.  I will have to admit that I am a dummie sometimes as well: How do genuine 'black beauty' mint errors come about? |
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Continued thanks to everyone for the responses. I will try to get better pics. Still experimenting with my new toy (USB microscope).
Crazyb0, it's probably due to the lighting in the pic, but this crack actually starts at the E and ends up near the A in America, but stops before the rim. I'll bet it reaches the rim on subsequent coins. Hopefully, I can get pictures that will show whether it is incused or raised.
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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07/23/2017 7:49 pm
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Ok. I've been crazy busy at work for a couple of weeks. But, I tried to take better pics of the cent in question. Can't get a pic that shows whether the crack is raised or not. My opinion from looking at it under the scope is that is is NOT raised. Will that change what might have caused the anomaly?
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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Yes it will. "Innies and Outties" matter. If the coin is incused (inward) then either it is PMD, a scratch or a strike through an object (hair, wire bristle) that was on the die. 90% of the time it's PMD a scratch. Once the surface of the coin has been raised, such as die cracks or die breaks that means because of the reverse image of the die, something has happened to split the die (crack) or break off from around a device's edge (those being "incuse") |
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Sure makes sense, Crazy. I will keep trying to confirm. If innie, to coinstar. If outie, save...
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Well, not quite that simple (it never is  ) you could find an "innie" that is actually a good thing "Struck Through" piece of string or wire, etc. I found one not too long ago - as you look at more coins you will begin to see the differences between a normal "innie" scratch compared to Struck through "innie". I will look up my post and put in on here for you in a bit. |
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I look forward to seeing that, CC. This anomaly doesn't really look like a scratch since it crosses a couple of design elements that show no indication of a scratch. Crazyb0 is schooling me on this stuff, too so I should eventually get the gist
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In case it's hard to see, I tried to trace the anomaly in this new pic.  Thanks for the links. I will check them out now. "Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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Great threads Coincents! Here's a closeup"  I don't see anything consistent to say strike thru, the two innies are separated and appear PMD, two areas questionable in/out and left side see piled up metal like a ding/scratch. Vote for a Coinstar trip. |
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Many thanks, CC. Based on a review of the linked posts, I don't think this is a "struck-through". Crazy, I think I will put this in my "probably" coinstar box and keep trying for better pics.  Thanks again to everyone. "Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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