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Beefer518 Pillar of the Community United States 887 Posts	Posted 07/25/2017 6:45 pm Are these genuine/period gaming tokens, or are they 'fantasy' reproductions for sale to tourists? I tried matching them to what images I could find, but couldn't find a match. Size and weights immediately preceding each image. If they're real, what kind of value to they have? Thanks! #1 Diameter - 18.5mm to 18.8mm Weight - 2.5 grams #2 Diameter - 22mm Weight - 3.7 grams #3 Diameter - 20.1mm x 21.5mm (slightly oval) Weight - 3.0 grams #4 Diameter - 27mm Weight - 5.5 grams Report this Post to the Staff

Circus Pillar of the Community United States 3079 Posts	Posted 07/25/2017 8:29 pm Can't help you with anything othyer than they are cranking out fakes by the wheelbarrows full and ebay are fakes. Report this Post to the Staff
Beefer518 Pillar of the Community United States 887 Posts	Posted 07/25/2017 8:44 pm Didn't get them from ebay, bought them along with a complete large cent collection (well, almost complete) from an older gentleman, but I do know these do get produced as 'novelty tourist pieces'. Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34397 Posts	Posted 07/25/2017 9:39 pm @beefer, the first two look pretty similar in color and fabric to the mid-1800s Thai porcelain token that I have from my father's collection. I don't see anything with yours that makes me think that they aren't real, but hopefully more folks weigh in too. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
sel_69l Bedrock of the Community Australia 21786 Posts	Posted 07/26/2017 04:07 am There is an excellent book on the subject: 'Siamese Coins and Tokens' Part 111, (Pages 382 to 389), 'Siamese Porcelain and Other Tokens', by Ramsden, publ. The Siam Society, Bankok, 1932. My copy, (all three parts) copyright Andrew Publishing Company, London, 1977. Probably difficult to get a copy these days, inquire Noble Numismatics Sydney, or Spinks, London. Report this Post to the Staff
DavidUK Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2624 Posts	Posted 07/26/2017 04:52 am If they are fake they have me fooled. If you look at the wear on number 2 it feels right. I know these are a specialism in their own right, and I don't know a lot but ones I have seen previously have had values written on the front and names akin to "Mandarin Palace" on the reverse. These come in many shapes and sizes and I presume that quite a few exist, its really disappointing to hear that they are reproducing lots though as this put people off getting involved and must hurt their value I guess. Maybe someone who really knows will educate us all. Report this Post to the Staff
Beefer518 Pillar of the Community United States 887 Posts	Posted 07/26/2017 10:59 am I wonder if the TPG's will grade/authenticate these? Report this Post to the Staff
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