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Is This 1804 Large Cent Genuine?

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What do you think? The coin is not mine.

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The die breaks are correct, but the counterfeits are getting so good. It looks good to me, though.
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At first sight I do not see anything that makes me suspicious.
It has both die breaks, so it is a die state C.
Not too easy to fake those I would imagine.

I give it a cautious 'OK'.

Here is my 1804 die state C (Sheldon s-266c) for comparison.



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 Posted 07/28/2017  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nothing jumps out at me that it is not authentic.
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It looks good to me. That's an expensive coin and deserves to be slabbed.
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I would be very cautious if considering purchasing this. I see many raised dots that make me think it may be a struck counterfeit from dies produced from an authentic coin with environmental damage.
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My standard response to this sort of coin is:
-- if you're selling it, get it slabbed (PCGS or NGC)
-- if you're thinking of buying, DON'T unless you're CERTAIN it's authentic and original.
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 Posted 07/28/2017  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I will take your advice and not buy it.
Thanks!
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Tough call. I understand the concerns but it sure has a nice look to it.
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I've been looking at hundreds of early copper coins recently and this one looks little suspicious. As mentioned by dave700x, there are too many high points on this well worn copper cent. The wear does not seem to transition in a smooth fashion.

I would not buy this relatively expensive coin unless authenticated. If it's a fake, it's scary how good they have become.
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Quote:
see many raised dots that make me think it may be a struck counterfeit from dies produced from an authentic coin with environmental damage.


I am inclined to agree. Please pass on this one.
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How is it possible to achieve this sort of deep, mellow coloring on a struck counterfeit of a well-worn coin? Just asking.
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To me it has the right look.

As Dave700x mentioned, there are a couple raised dots that bother me.
If I could look at it in hand ... check the weight, and the raised dots.

Then if the price was right ...
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With respect to everyone, there is no doubt in my mind that this is genuine. It's a beautiful, warm early copper. If this is sent to a TPG and comes back as counterfeit, I will happily reimburse the OP for the grading fee.
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Looks good to me! If you can get a guarantee of authenticity from the seller then buy it and send it in!
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I know the seller personally. I should be ok.
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