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Doubled Dies Resulted From Doubled Working Hub Versus Doubled Die!!

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 Posted 08/07/2017  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newbie38 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I apologize coincentlady the year came into question and I had to ask.
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 Posted 08/07/2017  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it is a Master die 1972 cent then it is just a common coin. A large percentage of that years cents were MDD (Master/Die/Doubled) cents. So the high percentage removes value as a collectable.
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 Posted 08/07/2017  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Newbie38, your welcome. :)
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 Posted 08/07/2017  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop another question then - How do we tell the difference as far as notching like Mike asked about?

Is there one specific thing that we would/should see on all WHDD's?

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Most of the time it takes several examples to tell it if is common for a year to have them in common. On the mint marked coin, (pre 1990) you can tell by mint mark placements if they are from the same dies. On the Wexler Site, there are some years of larger denomination that they were listed, and then removed when several examples from different dies were all miss hubbed, because of the Master die doubling. (MDD) So it often takes more than one example to see if this is the case or not. When looking at the Wexler site, see if this was an issue with coins from the year you are comparing with. That might be a clue.
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 Posted 08/07/2017  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a bunch.
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 Posted 08/07/2017  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Coop, valuable information.

COIN #1 is a 1943 Walking Liberty

Coin#2 is 1974-S Ike
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 Posted 08/07/2017  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newbie38 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To my understanding of the doubled die it can happen even beyond being used and the doubling can happen during the repressing to refresh the die?
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No, dies only go through one hubbing process. The only thing done to a die once it is in service is polishing/abrading to remove any clash marks or surface imperfections. With the advent of the high speed horizontal Schuler presses that can strike 750 coins/minute, I would think that dies now receive much less refinishing because a die's entire lifespan can be exhausted with less than 24 hours of use.
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Thank you everyone ,Lots of valuable information,I am sure this was and will remain a challenging task for us in order to identify our doubled die finds! particularly when they are not found in our common guides and master variety listings and for myself I wouldn't be able to tell the difference one way or the other even by comparing markings and MMs, and when you have a doubled devices with Notches ,this was a good learning experience for me.Thanks again.
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